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no need they are all in red, bizzare

as of now after a quick count 31264 sold for sheff u and lot of them left are the £80-100 ones

but whatever/whoever he is, if at all its all a bit meh, because if he isn't the jesus of the gospels then is all a bit so what and the fact that not one contemporary knows anything about this rock star of the 1st century is a red flag

explain to me then why i'll just name two someone like justus of tiberias secretary to herod, writer of the kingdom of judah says absolutely nothing about a jesus and philo of Alexandria an esteemed writer and figure of that time again says absolutely nothing there are others

think you'll find the general consensus with biblical historians is that mark is the first gospel despite the above and john is the last

or cherry pick the lines that suit their agenda

its all a bit moot though because mark is known to be the first to be written and matthew and luke plagarise from mark to create theirs but mark has no lineage in or even a birth story, so these are additions from matthew and luke(or whoever they maybe as we don't actually know)

am i missing something here bobby, the whole point of the new testament is that he is the son of god ala john 8-58 mark 14-61/62

stunning performance

does it become obvious later on in the film , seems daft to me at the moment

finally got round to watching avatar(only half way through) visually stunning but one thing is bugging me and i dont know if i've missed something or not so when sully is in the tank and is being the avatar i get that all well and good but what happens when hes out of the tank especially whilst...

fair point but those that do like philo and josephus paint a very different picture of how he is described in the new testament he was eventually recalled to rome around ad 36 after another slaughter of pilgrims

always get this retort where's the disrespect? its a discussion forum people make claims we agree or disagree its a mainly christian based discussion so that's where the focus lies there is the occasional koran based chat but not that much for what its worth my opinion its all not true but that...

i'm not sure what your point is there were hundreds if not thousands of men named jesus in the first century and specifically between the pertinent dates upto 33ad so what! the actual question is apart from what's contained in the new testament is there any other evidence to support it?

jesus was a common name back in the first century so which one are we on about?? and as far as i'm aware no roman census records the jesus we are talking about, no surviving one that is what i was on about is if in fact this jesus is just some herbert the romans executed without any pomp and...

Pilate is well known to be a very nasty governor who would of been nothing like the lily livered version in the bible If memory serves me correctly he was removed from his post and sent back to Rome as he was getting out of hand But will have to check my facts

So its someone who started a rabble and got executed no you wouldn’t expect records of that But that gives you a dilemma The bible is now a load of made up pony If that’s the case You can’t have it both ways mate

Tacitus was born around 56 ad so minimum ad 76 before writing anything annals is second century so could quite easily be aware of at least marks gospel(70/73ad) Pliny is similar They are both not primary sources So where would they get their information from

Don’t be silly