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Don't read either unfortunately. I'll say again for the hard of thinking, there are obviously some very genuine cases of SEN, ND and mental health conditions out there that deserve all the help and support they need... but sadly they don't get that help because of the huge numbers of people who...

"Othering" tells me all I need to know about how much you understand about the real world. It's earned you some valuable virtue signalling social media brownie points though.

I'm not disputing that there are genuine and severe examples of people with SEN, ND and mental health conditions, unfortunately these people don't get the full help and support they need and should get due to the explosion in people claiming to have all range of SEN, ND and mental health...

And you with your rose tinted idealism lumps everyone into completely the opposite categories... ALL immigrants are skilled, qualified high earning, net contributors, ALL benefits claimants are entirely genuine and are on benefits through no fault of their own and definitely aren't using...

I'm quite happy to admit that I could be described as being a member of the parasitic rentier class given that I do indeed live off unearned investment income, I do however certainly pay tax still, in many, many different ways that you obviously don't understand.. it doesn't mean I'd like to see...

I doubt I'm as young, naive and inexperienced as you clearly are... but I can assure you I'm not an elderly brexit voter with a blue rinse.

Just because the facts of real life don't fit with everything you read and repeat in your virtue signalling echo chambers on social media it doesn't mean they're not really happening in the real world.

So you think the feckless breeders don't circumvent the notional "2 child cap" by timing their breeding programme?.. That's if they've not already managed to circumvent that cap via getting their offspring diagnosed with this weeks newly invented "SEN" or "neuro-divergence" disorder. It's...

If you think it's only a "small percentage" of child related benefits claimants who are deliberately gaming the system from the outset then I can assure you you're very much out of touch with the way things are in the real world.

My sincere apologies I meant to use the word proposition, terribly remis of me to allow such a glaring error to have occurred, I promise I'll try my best to not let it happen again.

I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make in your first sentence, the discussion was about productivity in the private sector... the public sector is under no compunction to be "productive" (or efficient or competent or accountable) regardless of whether it's employees are imported labour...

Well my local river is still of human faeces and my PIP claiming neighbour has just had her third foreign holiday this year despite being too ill to work. So I'm afraid I ain't seeing these improvements.

So you think these feckless workshy people living a cushy life milking a generous benefits system are somehow going to produce offspring that are highly motivated, hard working, high earning, net contributors to the tax take? That's a really interesting preposition.

There wouldn't be the poor parents if our corporate rulers had to pay decent living wages and our rentier class establishment couldn't massively inflate the cost of accommodation... both of these situations are enabled due to their policy of mass immigration.

The whole point of this particular discussion is that low productivity is intrinsically linked to the use of cheap imported labour, I'm not "guiding it on to immigration at all" You've absolutely confirmed my point of the utter insanity of the whole situation... we've imported millions of...

Not new at all. It's the phrase used to describe the huge numbers of people who CHOOSE to have kids they can't afford then CHOOSE to work minimal part-time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits, resulting in them having the same level of disposable income as someone working...

Well I'm seeing two positives from that list, all the rest are not good at all, more of the same, or completely unproven in terms of how successful they could be. Oh and well done on being able to supply all those "off the top of your head" and not just copy and pasting them from some Labour...

You might not find those ordering machines efficient or convenient as a customer (I'm sure I wouldn't either) but Maccies don't really care about that, as long as they prove to be much more cost effective than employing someone to take your order then then that's all that matters in terms of...

Well they've certainly done nothing at all so far to demonstrate to me that they're going to tackle the rampant corporatism that's the root cause of every social, economic and environmental issue this country suffers from. Do you think they have?

Your question seems to bear no relation to the specific discussion. You'll have to qualify it a little better before I can help you out.