16 | Rodri - 2021/22 Performances

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Dinho is one of the best foward passing players we have
not sure you took the right info out of what I said. when I said passing I meant the type of passing not the quality of passing. Watch Ferna closely next time, he most of the time takes 3 touches to release the ball this inturn allows the opposition to set and then our players move out of position leaving space. then watch rodri everytime he passes with 1 or 2 touches. that is the biggest difference between the two and why I call Rodri our metronome.
 
not sure you took the right info out of what I said. when I said passing I meant the type of passing not the quality of passing. Watch Ferna closely next time, he most of the time takes 3 touches to release the ball this inturn allows the opposition to set and then our players move out of position leaving space. then watch rodri everytime he passes with 1 or 2 touches. that is the biggest difference between the two and why I call Rodri our metronome.
Yeah Fernandinho has never been a truly elite metronome (his elite-ness lies elsewhere). I think that's why Pep was fascinated by Jorginho way back in 2018 after we'd just won the league. Most of our defending is done by how we pass the ball, not by how we physically defend.
 
We need him back asap. Really hope the Covid doesn't affect him too much He's become as inportant as Ferna was in his pomp.
 
I understand your position but I do not agree that presenting data that potentially demonstrates a recent correlation between Rodri’s absence and increased negative defensive outcomes is “lazy analysis”. Especially one that gets stronger over time. The stronger it gets the less likely it can be reasonably and adequately explained by other mitigating factors. If it gets weaker over time then it is still important and I may change my assessment of the necessity of his involvement.

I tend to trust data analysis more than observational analysis for obvious reasons, particularly because trends in quantifiable aspects of life are abundantly useful in establishing and testing hypothesises outside of personal bias. Whereas, for instance, someone that has always disliked Rodri will usually only ever observe the negative aspects of his game and argue against his positive contributions, citing their qualitative analysis of his contributions (or lack there of) as support. Observational bias and misattribution can be broken with data.

I have many times in the past posted data-driven analysis of players and their performances but do not have the energy nor time these days to do so. However, my earlier post regarding Rodri’s general contribution to our success is based on my review of other data-driven analysis that I have stumbled upon over the last year.



See above.

By the way, I am a data scientist (or was before I was forced to retire recently), so I know in excruciatingly boring detail that correlation does not imply causation and I never seriously claimed our lacklustre defensive display was solely because Rodri’s absence. I made a slightly tongue-in-cheek comment on the match thread and you decide to take umberage, then create a much more hardline argument on my behalf to argue against.

I decided against responding in earnest to your retort later because I remembered—as I was reading your post—that you’ve always been a Rodri detractor, so there wasn’t much point to debating you on the merits. I am never going to change your mind, regardless of the evidence I could present now or in the future supporting my stance.

This has little to do with data - not that you've presented any. The extent of your analysis is Rodri out = goals scored = Fernandinho problem. You're seeing what you want to see, because it fits an agenda you have.

Go check Bernardo's average position when playing with Rodri, compared with Fernandinho. Also check how often Walker nullifies attacks the opposition makes, through his defensive ability, deeper positioning, and recovery speed.

I also haven't always been a Rodri detractor. I've criticised him plenty like many, especially early on in his time here, but have given him loads of praise too. So far this year in particular he's been brilliant, and I look forward to having him back. You've pretty much shot your entire argument right there by trying to paint me a certain way that I'm not.
 
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