mrtwiceaseason said:Posted on this thread hours ago and still havnt seen one reason why standing would improve the atmosphere. The only thing I can think is it would attract the younger element and by creating a youff stand might be a bit noiseier .but would probably end up blue on blue with the ale money they saved like a lot of our always do.
In favour of it if people want it but don't get the atmosphere bit .maybe the two sides of the
Southstand could sing the same songs at the same time for starters. ?
Wouldn't laugh at anyone having a go at their ideals.BUT would question what exactly was so great in the era that they want to take us back too ?,mancityvstoke said:Corky said:mancityvstoke said:Moving is not necessarily more expensive when expansion is completed.
If you have a complaint you should take it up with the club not people on bluemoon as we cannot control what fans do. Believe it or not most are trying to help.
Better still go down to the bottom of the block and shout "hey you lot, new fuckers, sit the fuck down, c**ts"
then "where were you when we were shit and sitting down?"
Better still start a fans group like 1894 after just getting a season ticket and demand meeting with UEFA via twitter. Got to laugh.
Laugh at what?
Not sure if thats true .not sure what every other clubs policy is to persistent standing ? As all prem grounds are all seated ?.which grounds have this super atmosphere ? Have read on rawk / rag cafe no atmosphere there .no atmosphere in the holte end .Stoke seems to be dying off .that leaves crystal palace that's regually mentionedCheadle_hulmeBlue said:mrtwiceaseason said:Posted on this thread hours ago and still havnt seen one reason why standing would improve the atmosphere. The only thing I can think is it would attract the younger element and by creating a youff stand might be a bit noiseier .but would probably end up blue on blue with the ale money they saved like a lot of our always do.
In favour of it if people want it but don't get the atmosphere bit .maybe the two sides of the
Southstand could sing the same songs at the same time for starters. ?
you've kind of answered your own question there. You only have to look at every loud singing part of every ground in the country, its usually the standing bit. People who sit dont sing as much, dojnt know why, but that is the case in football, music gigs, lots of things tbh.
Carver said:Blue Note said:100% sure a standing unreserved stand would be the answer to our atmosphere problems. Also it would mean people who wanna stand are separated from those who wanna sit. Win win situation.
This is nearly Bob on. It would go a long way to sorting the atmosphere if people had to come in early to get their preferred standing spot with their mates rather than staying in the bar till the last moment / up to 10 min into the game.
if some prick stands up at the front and wont sit down then it has a knock on effect all the way up the stand .... get a gripftg said:mekonmcfc said:mancityvstoke said:Persistent standing has been going on years (since we moved to the new stadium and before at Maine Road for the North Stand and AA lower)...have you considered moving to a seated part of the ground at all? Just asking. For example the second tier which isn't that much more expensive in the south stand.
Perhaps ground expansion will sort all these issues out once and for all if the club get a grip of the issue properly.
i like where i sit i have sat there for years, and its only this season that standing has been coming round to my part of the south stand. I should not have to relocate because of the selfishness of others in an all seater stadium. Me moving seats is NOT the answer
How selfish can you get. If standing has come round to your section then it seems the majority of people around you want to stand up - if it was just one or two that did it and everyone else was against they would get told to sit back down. So instead of moving to another section where you can sit down all you like, with a *slightly* different view, you'd rather force hundreds of people to sit down to keep you happy. All because of a seat that you have no real ownership of. Get a grip.
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:i agree with what your doing, But I believe its pricing that is the biggest effect on atmosphere. young lads like me, in the 18- 25 bracket can't afford to go, its just to expensive for this group of fans. Safe standing will hopefully bring these fans together but only if its unallocated and low priced.
We are missing the local young lads that used to make the atmosphere, now the only people in the main that can afford to go are middle aged men. theres no where in the ground for people that age like there used to be, safe standing areas will help this. You only have to look at some of the away day videos to see how old our fan base is at the minute, the young vocal support is there. Focus on lowering price and it will get better imo
mekonmcfc said:if some prick stands up at the front and wont sit down then it has a knock on effect all the way up the stand .... get a gripftg said:mekonmcfc said:i like where i sit i have sat there for years, and its only this season that standing has been coming round to my part of the south stand. I should not have to relocate because of the selfishness of others in an all seater stadium. Me moving seats is NOT the answer
How selfish can you get. If standing has come round to your section then it seems the majority of people around you want to stand up - if it was just one or two that did it and everyone else was against they would get told to sit back down. So instead of moving to another section where you can sit down all you like, with a *slightly* different view, you'd rather force hundreds of people to sit down to keep you happy. All because of a seat that you have no real ownership of. Get a grip.
furthermore the majority of people that sit near the back have had their season tickets for many many years going back to Maine road where everyone was sat down !! some new kids come along and think its great to stand up at the front and piss everyone off.
I'm gonna side with mekon here .if he has paid his £50 to have a nice seat with his mates with a good view then thats exactly what he should get .why should some fuckwitt at the front spoil it by making the whole stand .stand up ?eversince 76 said:mekonmcfc said:if some prick stands up at the front and wont sit down then it has a knock on effect all the way up the stand .... get a gripftg said:How selfish can you get. If standing has come round to your section then it seems the majority of people around you want to stand up - if it was just one or two that did it and everyone else was against they would get told to sit back down. So instead of moving to another section where you can sit down all you like, with a *slightly* different view, you'd rather force hundreds of people to sit down to keep you happy. All because of a seat that you have no real ownership of. Get a grip.
furthermore the majority of people that sit near the back have had their season tickets for many many years going back to Maine road where everyone was sat down !! some new kids come along and think its great to stand up at the front and piss everyone off.
To get rid of these "new kids" is one of the reasons a lot of fans want a safe standing area. But the way you put it you seem to prefer to hold on to your seat instead of moving it for the good of a safe standing area. That to me sounds weird and selfish.
I'm (unfortunately) live abroad but I would definitely get myself a seasonticket if there was a safe standing area. If I look at the atmosphere in the German stadiums it's much better than in England nowadays. Maybe the atmosphere to be created at Etihad by the safe standing area will get you out of your cosy seat with the spectacular view ...
mrtwiceaseason said:I'm gonna side with mekon here .if he has paid his £50 to have a nice seat with his mates with a good view then thats exactly what he should get .why should some fuckwitt at the front spoil it by making the whole stand .stand up ?eversince 76 said:mekonmcfc said:if some prick stands up at the front and wont sit down then it has a knock on effect all the way up the stand .... get a grip
furthermore the majority of people that sit near the back have had their season tickets for many many years going back to Maine road where everyone was sat down !! some new kids come along and think its great to stand up at the front and piss everyone off.
To get rid of these "new kids" is one of the reasons a lot of fans want a safe standing area. But the way you put it you seem to prefer to hold on to your seat instead of moving it for the good of a safe standing area. That to me sounds weird and selfish.
I'm (unfortunately) live abroad but I would definitely get myself a seasonticket if there was a safe standing area. If I look at the atmosphere in the German stadiums it's much better than in England nowadays. Maybe the atmosphere to be created at Etihad by the safe standing area will get you out of your cosy seat with the spectacular view ...
Its been posted loads want it but can people being forced to stand too see the game be proof
?
Still no one has come on and stated a case for improved atmosphere with safe standing .cannot understand why would you buy a season ticket to stand .? To save money yes .agreed
Until you get a safe standing area why wreck it for others ?
Maybe missing the point but if the majority of the south stand is stood up now why is the atmosphere worse than ever ???
AA lower in the Kippax stood too as well as the right hand side (looking at the block next to the away fans) of the North Standpace89 said:It’s not true that everyone used to sit at Maine Road. The North Stand was mostly standing from 97ish onwards. The people who preferred to stand in the North Stand were then transferred to the South Stand when we moved and continued to stand. At a guess roughly 10% of people at any home game would probably prefer to stand which in itself is justification for the introduction of safe standing. Why anyone would oppose this just because they personally would choose to sit is beyond me. It’s like opposing someone’s right to get the bus to work because they prefer the train.
You may or may not be right about mekon he needs to clarify his stance.to compare football culture in Germany to england is just daft why not pick Italy USA Brazil every country is different.eversince 76 said:mrtwiceaseason said:I'm gonna side with mekon here .if he has paid his £50 to have a nice seat with his mates with a good view then thats exactly what he should get .why should some fuckwitt at the front spoil it by making the whole stand .stand up ?eversince 76 said:To get rid of these "new kids" is one of the reasons a lot of fans want a safe standing area. But the way you put it you seem to prefer to hold on to your seat instead of moving it for the good of a safe standing area. That to me sounds weird and selfish.
I'm (unfortunately) live abroad but I would definitely get myself a seasonticket if there was a safe standing area. If I look at the atmosphere in the German stadiums it's much better than in England nowadays. Maybe the atmosphere to be created at Etihad by the safe standing area will get you out of your cosy seat with the spectacular view ...
Its been posted loads want it but can people being forced to stand too see the game be proof
?
Still no one has come on and stated a case for improved atmosphere with safe standing .cannot understand why would you buy a season ticket to stand .? To save money yes .agreed
Until you get a safe standing area why wreck it for others ?
Maybe missing the point but if the majority of the south stand is stood up now why is the atmosphere worse than ever ???
I agree that when you've paid for a seat and someone in front of you stands up, it can be annoying to say the least. If there's a SSA, I presume the people who like to stand up all the time will be in that particular area. The point is Mekon sounds like he is not willing to give up his seat if he was asked to move to his area to be reformed into a SSA. That's how I read it and if so, that's pretty selfish. If I misread it's because I'm foreign, you can't blame me and you can't sue me ...
If you're asking yourself will a SSA improve the atmosphere, I suggest you visit awaygames more often or find a place or channel where you can watch Bundesliga football. In between the fans in de South Stand there are still a lot who don't prefer to start singing or like to stand-up. The atmosphere in the Etihad has gone down over the years and I truly believe a SSA will improve this. That's the main reason for me to buy a seasonticket, not because of the money (I'm happy to be able to say this).
So you don't want ANY fans standing? Even in a safe standing area?mrtwiceaseason said:You may or may not be right about mekon he needs to clarify his stance.to compare football culture in Germany to england is just daft why not pick Italy USA Brazil every country is different.eversince 76 said:mrtwiceaseason said:I'm gonna side with mekon here .if he has paid his £50 to have a nice seat with his mates with a good view then thats exactly what he should get .why should some fuckwitt at the front spoil it by making the whole stand .stand up ?
Its been posted loads want it but can people being forced to stand too see the game be proof
?
Still no one has come on and stated a case for improved atmosphere with safe standing .cannot understand why would you buy a season ticket to stand .? To save money yes .agreed
Until you get a safe standing area why wreck it for others ?
Maybe missing the point but if the majority of the south stand is stood up now why is the atmosphere worse than ever ???
I agree that when you've paid for a seat and someone in front of you stands up, it can be annoying to say the least. If there's a SSA, I presume the people who like to stand up all the time will be in that particular area. The point is Mekon sounds like he is not willing to give up his seat if he was asked to move to his area to be reformed into a SSA. That's how I read it and if so, that's pretty selfish. If I misread it's because I'm foreign, you can't blame me and you can't sue me ...
If you're asking yourself will a SSA improve the atmosphere, I suggest you visit awaygames more often or find a place or channel where you can watch Bundesliga football. In between the fans in de South Stand there are still a lot who don't prefer to start singing or like to stand-up. The atmosphere in the Etihad has gone down over the years and I truly believe a SSA will improve this. That's the main reason for me to buy a seasonticket, not because of the money (I'm happy to be able to say this).
What you dont answer is if the south stand is standing already and the atmosphere is shite how does it suddenly go brilliant if we just say you can stand ?? Isn't safe standing just standing in a row in controlled numbers using the back of the seat in front as a crash barrier .
Yes you should be able to stand in a controlled area but the guy that's paid £60 to choose a quality seat with a decent view is entitled to sit in a seated area .
I would like to see standers .standing in a designated standing areamancityvstoke said:So you don't want ANY fans standing? Even in a safe standing area?mrtwiceaseason said:You may or may not be right about mekon he needs to clarify his stance.to compare football culture in Germany to england is just daft why not pick Italy USA Brazil every country is different.eversince 76 said:I agree that when you've paid for a seat and someone in front of you stands up, it can be annoying to say the least. If there's a SSA, I presume the people who like to stand up all the time will be in that particular area. The point is Mekon sounds like he is not willing to give up his seat if he was asked to move to his area to be reformed into a SSA. That's how I read it and if so, that's pretty selfish. If I misread it's because I'm foreign, you can't blame me and you can't sue me ...
If you're asking yourself will a SSA improve the atmosphere, I suggest you visit awaygames more often or find a place or channel where you can watch Bundesliga football. In between the fans in de South Stand there are still a lot who don't prefer to start singing or like to stand-up. The atmosphere in the Etihad has gone down over the years and I truly believe a SSA will improve this. That's the main reason for me to buy a seasonticket, not because of the money (I'm happy to be able to say this).
What you dont answer is if the south stand is standing already and the atmosphere is shite how does it suddenly go brilliant if we just say you can stand ?? Isn't safe standing just standing in a row in controlled numbers using the back of the seat in front as a crash barrier .
Yes you should be able to stand in a controlled area but the guy that's paid £60 to choose a quality seat with a decent view is entitled to sit in a seated area .
I'm confused with what you want now.
A standing area would suit both what you want and what standers want. Regardless of the effect on atmosphere.
mrtwiceaseason said:I would like to see standers .standing in a designated standing areamancityvstoke said:So you don't want ANY fans standing? Even in a safe standing area?mrtwiceaseason said:You may or may not be right about mekon he needs to clarify his stance.to compare football culture in Germany to england is just daft why not pick Italy USA Brazil every country is different.
What you dont answer is if the south stand is standing already and the atmosphere is shite how does it suddenly go brilliant if we just say you can stand ?? Isn't safe standing just standing in a row in controlled numbers using the back of the seat in front as a crash barrier .
Yes you should be able to stand in a controlled area but the guy that's paid £60 to choose a quality seat with a decent view is entitled to sit in a seated area .
I'm confused with what you want now.
A standing area would suit both what you want and what standers want. Regardless of the effect on atmosphere.
Sitters been allowed to sit in a designated seating area
In my opinion standing up in a line which is my understanding safe standing is would make no difference to the atmosphere as this is what is being allowed to happen now and the atmosphere is shite .
Hope this clears it up
I guess In a round about way your saying the youth went in the stand that was cheapest which was the standing stand ?so the admission price was more the driver than the actual standing up ? Are people thinking you will stand in bunches with your mates like the old days and not In CCTV monitored lines with xxx no to the rowpaulchapo said:The thing with the kippax when it was standing is you could go in there and knew what you were getting.You could have a sing song, swear without upsetting anybody and generally be a bit more 'boisterous' for want of a better word. If you wanted a more genteel atmosphere you went into the seats.
With all seater stadiums everyone is mixed in hence the lack of atmosphere and the other problems that creates. Failing safe standing then one stand needs to be designated a singing stand and the miserable silent sods moved elsewhere. It may be a bit tough but that will be the only solution if you want a better atmosphere.
Corky said:mancityvstoke said:Corky said:It doesn't happen like that, it is the new fans to the area who started to stand in the first six rows or so. The first six rows were the only ones that went on open sale, and after an influx of new fans to the areas nearest to the standing areas at the front, the people behind have little choice. The stewards made some effort for a few games one season, emails ,letters etc then the club gave up and it has gone from 119 aisle to 121 now which it never had bar derby day, and that stopped around the 120 half aisle.
Plenty of old people near the back miss a lot as they need to sit, but they should move to more expensive seats according to some to accommodate the newer fans from around 2011.
Moving is not necessarily more expensive when expansion is completed.
If you have a complaint you should take it up with the club not people on bluemoon as we cannot control what fans do. Believe it or not most are trying to help.
Better still go down to the bottom of the block and shout "hey you lot, new fuckers, sit the fuck down, c**ts"
then "where were you when we were shit and sitting down?"
Better still start a fans group like 1894 after just getting a season ticket and demand meeting with UEFA via twitter. Got to laugh.