2020 US Elections

[SWP's back]

Again I don't disagree but the point I was originally replying to was the deaths per million, and for that the US isn't that far away from the figures in many other western countries not run by Trump. I already acknowledged that I estimate them to be above where they should be.

Anyway just an opinion. I'll keep them to myself in the future, not worth discussing differing viewpoints sometimes on here.

This sort of thing doesn’t help his cause:

 

[Bigga]

"Rather than blame Hitler for the Holocaust, we should instead blame the neolibs that allowed him to rise to power in the first place"- Bigga in the 1940's

Even in your slight at me, therein lies the truth.

Tell me if politics were fairly distributed to affect society and make it fair, better judicial system, fairer wages etc., you'd have seen any type of rise of #45?

Such a dumb (and liked) posting that you actually make my argument.

 

[cjn]

"...but the election is a [forced]binary choice", yes I'll agree there is no choice now in this manufactured election.

The US are constantly brainwashed into believing things told by politicians in the face of opposing evidence. It's why you continued to believe Progressives wouldn't win against a right winged politician. Years and years of propaganda assaulting the brain. Years and years of believing capitalism is the way.

Biden is the same guy as any other capitalist driven politician/ businessman with the end result in keeping the wealth gap. So, yes, to any fucktards not understanding, they are basically BOTH THE SAME in this regard.

You will ALWAYS get shades/ degrees of difference with neoliberal politics.

As much as you may tout Sanders on your side, he's warning Biden on his 100 day action and more.


Watch it if you want, but the comments section is more interesting to get a view on what the belief is where Biden and anything progressive is concerned.

Semi related, did you see Sanders is up for Labor Secretary? That’d be an interesting one.

 

[west didsblue]

Again I don't disagree but the point I was originally replying to was the deaths per million, and for that the US isn't that far away from the figures in many other western countries not run by Trump. I already acknowledged that I estimate them to be above where they should be.

Anyway just an opinion. I'll keep them to myself in the future, not worth discussing differing viewpoints sometimes on here.

The whole point is to post differing viewpoints so that people can discuss them. Absolutely no problem with your opinion; I just happen to disagree that the US should only have a rate slightly lower than highly densely populated European countries.

They had the foremost experts in the world that Trump’s ignored and the best early warning mechanism before Trump dismantled it. Without this self inflicted damage to their response I would have expected their rate to be a fraction of ours and I would also expect our rate to be lower because we would have more likely followed their lead and also had less infected people flying in.

 

[Bigga]

Semi related, did you see Sanders is up for Labor Secretary? That’d be an interesting one.

He'll be one of many 'vetted' for the position. I'd be extremely surprised if he gets it.

Especially in light of that vid, where he intends to hold Biden accountable in his first 100 days and aiming to run his own 100 day charter, too.

Why would Biden run the risk of a Progressive in a position that would encourage more unions and the possibility of unionised strikes if Biden fails in his promises of raised wages within 4 years?

I don't see it, myself, but I think it's mainly aimed to shut Progressives up that not one of their politicians had been looked at for a cabinet position.

 

[cjn]

He'll be one of many 'vetted' for the position. I'd be extremely surprised if he gets it.

Especially in light of that vid, where he intends to hold Biden accountable in his first 100 days and aiming to run his own 100 day charter, too.

Why would Biden run the risk of a Progressive in a position that would encourage more unions and the possibility of unionised strikes if Biden fails in his promises of raised wages within 4 years?

I don't see it, myself, but I think it's mainly aimed to shut Progressives up that not one of their politicians had been looked at for a cabinet position.

We’ll see, I think if Bernie wants that (and it sounds like he does) he’d be able to get it pretty easily.

 

[BigOscar]

You know the funny thing is, if he's so bad, why do the Dems keep voting for his policies? Stepped aside for the fast tracking of Judge Coney Barratt, voted in the tax cuts and bailouts earlier this year, gave him more money for continuing the Dem wars overseas.

I pay no mind to these people any more.

They, no longer, actually understand politics, but they regurgitate what the Gogglebox tells them.

Do you genuinely not understand how US politics work, or are you just deliberately obtuse? The Dems don't "keep voting for his policies", they are just powerless to prevent them because they don't have the majority. That's how the US system works. Just like how you continuously blame Obama for not passing policies you want, when again, he didn't have the senate majority so couldn't pass anything. The Republicans literally said they would vote down anything he came up with, just on the principal of him coming up with it.

The thing you don't seem to get, is that it doesn't matter what you want if you don't have the votes to enact it. Some people might love "progressive" ideas, but the majority don't, so it's a loser every single time. There's a reason the right constantly try and link Dems to progressive ideology, it's because they know it's hugely unpopular and association with it will lose them votes.

No idea why I bother tbh, I know you'll just do your usual of claiming something is hilarious, insult me, then maybe throw up something about neolibs and another youtube video that literally no one will watch. All the while not realising that people like you actively hurt their own cause by being such unbearable bores

 

[cjn]

You know the funny thing is, if he's so bad, why do the Dems keep voting for his policies? Stepped aside for the fast tracking of Judge Coney Barratt, voted in the tax cuts and bailouts earlier this year, gave him more money for continuing the Dem wars overseas.

I pay no mind to these people any more.

They, no longer, actually understand politics, but they regurgitate what the Gogglebox tells them.

Fucking lol. Hard to pick where to start with that one.

 

[Bigga]

We’ll see, I think if Bernie wants that (and it sounds like he does) he’d be able to get it pretty easily.

Yep, he may want it.

I think think it would be more prudent for Biden to pick someone who acts Progressive but has been courted by more neoliberal tendencies.

Like you say, though, we'll see.

 

[kaz7]

This sort of thing doesn’t help his cause:

Wow

 

[andyhinch]

Do you genuinely not understand how US politics work, or are you just deliberately obtuse? The Dems don't "keep voting for his policies", they are just powerless to prevent them because they don't have the majority. That's how the US system works. Just like how you continuously blame Obama for not passing policies you want, when again, he didn't have the senate majority so couldn't pass anything. The Republicans literally said they would vote down anything he came up with, just on the principal of him coming up with it.

The thing you don't seem to get, is that it doesn't matter what you want if you don't have the votes to enact it. Some people might love "progressive" ideas, but the majority don't, so it's a loser every single time. There's a reason the right constantly try and link Dems to progressive ideology, it's because they know it's hugely unpopular and association with it will lose them votes.

No idea why I bother tbh, I know you'll just do your usual of claiming something is hilarious, insult me, then maybe throw up something about neolibs and another youtube video that literally no one will watch. All the while not realising that people like you actively hurt their own cause by being such unbearable bores

He’s on ignore, I’ve found my life better for it

 

[west didsblue]

Do you genuinely not understand how US politics work, or are you just deliberately obtuse? The Dems don't "keep voting for his policies", they are just powerless to prevent them because they don't have the majority. That's how the US system works. Just like how you continuously blame Obama for not passing policies you want, when again, he didn't have the senate majority so couldn't pass anything. The Republicans literally said they would vote down anything he came up with, just on the principal of him coming up with it.

The thing you don't seem to get, is that it doesn't matter what you want if you don't have the votes to enact it. Some people might love "progressive" ideas, but the majority don't, so it's a loser every single time. There's a reason the right constantly try and link Dems to progressive ideology, it's because they know it's hugely unpopular and association with it will lose them votes.

No idea why I bother tbh, I know you'll just do your usual of claiming something is hilarious, insult me, then maybe throw up something about neolibs and another youtube video that literally no one will watch. All the while not realising that people like you actively hurt their own cause by being such unbearable bores

Well said.
I couldn’t be arsed myself because not only does it fall on deaf ears but he refuses to turn his hearing aid on.

 

[kaz7]

You know the funny thing is, if he's so bad, why do the Dems keep voting for his policies? Stepped aside for the fast tracking of Judge Coney Barratt, voted in the tax cuts and bailouts earlier this year, gave him more money for continuing the Dem wars overseas.

I pay no mind to these people any more.

They, no longer, actually understand politics, but they regurgitate what the Gogglebox tells them.

Haha you are getting likes by the sites biggest wum

 

[BigOscar]

He’s on ignore, I’ve found my life better for it

Yeah I have always wanted to, but it felt like giving him free run to say whatever shite he wants just by being so overbearingly annoying that everyone has him on ignore so doesn't challenge his nonsense. But you're right, he's too insufferable to bother with, so it's finally getting done

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Absolute powder keg........

Trump's America folks.

 

[Bigga]

Do you genuinely not understand how US politics work, or are you just deliberately obtuse? The Dems don't "keep voting for his policies", they are just powerless to prevent them because they don't have the majority. That's how the US system works. Just like how you continuously blame Obama for not passing policies you want, when again, he didn't have the senate majority so couldn't pass anything. The Republicans literally said they would vote down anything he came up with, just on the principal of him coming up with it.

The thing you don't seem to get, is that it doesn't matter what you want if you don't have the votes to enact it. Some people might love "progressive" ideas, but the majority don't, so it's a loser every single time. There's a reason the right constantly try and link Dems to progressive ideology, it's because they know it's hugely unpopular and association with it will lose them votes.

No idea why I bother tbh, I know you'll just do your usual of claiming something is hilarious, insult me, then maybe throw up something about neolibs and another youtube video that literally no one will watch. All the while not realising that people like you actively hurt their own cause by being such unbearable bores

Fucking lol. Hard to pick where to start with that one.

Let me remind you...
Quote from 'The Intercept' after Senate 'tried to strike the tax break from the bill':

The bill then went to the House, where it passed by an unrecorded voice vote on March 27 with many members — including some in leadership — either unaware that the tax break provision even existed, or unwilling to raise it publicly. The lack of public debate over the extent to which the stimulus was crafted to benefit the rich at the expense of the poor further underscores how scandalous it is that there is no official record of the vote.

See, whose job is it to check what is and what is not in Bills? Good job it was unrecorded, eh? Weird when you could just ask to record it, no?

The 'majority' as I said earlier are bombarded with messages on how 'evil' progressivism is and yet, here we are, with #45 sitting in the hot seat and nobody seems to have a clue how he's there!!

'People like me', eh? LOL!! There we have it! At least, you've finally opened up!

You are the epitome of the 'Liberal', Malcolm X talked about all those years ago. You don't watch the 10 min vids cos then you can deny seeing yourself and your politics in them.

Good for you, you're as vanilla as the politics you espouse.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’m just saying I’m confident Trump will get re elected tbh.

What is that confidence founded upon?

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Llllllllooooow me. Not seen anything that clown Kaz posted for a long time.

 

[journolud]

You know the funny thing is, if he's so bad, why do the Dems keep voting for his policies? Stepped aside for the fast tracking of Judge Coney Barratt, voted in the tax cuts and bailouts earlier this year, gave him more money for continuing the Dem wars overseas.

I pay no mind to these people any more.

They, no longer, actually understand politics, but they regurgitate what the Gogglebox tells them.

Pay no mind? You’re never off the thread paying no mind.

Selective use of some policies the dems might have supported does not make Trump not a ****

 

[cjn]

Let me remind you...
Quote from 'The Intercept' after Senate 'tried to strike the tax break from the bill':


See, whose job is it to check what is and what is not in Bills? Good job it was unrecorded, eh? Weird when you could just ask to record it, no?

The 'majority' as I said earlier are bombarded with messages on how 'evil' progressivism is and yet, here we are, with #45 sitting in the hot seat and nobody seems to have a clue how he's there!!

'People like me', eh? LOL!! There we have it! At least, you've finally opened up!

You are the epitome of the 'Liberal', Malcolm X talked about all those years ago. You don't watch the 10 min vids cos then you can deny seeing yourself and your politics in them.

Good for you, you're as vanilla as the politics you espouse.

Writing a proper response would take forever, and you wouldn’t read it anyway so I’m not going to do that, but every single part of the prior post is either completely made up or mischaracterized in some way. Like what do you even mean by “continuing dem wars”? Are you talking about Iraq and Afghanistan?