20MPH Speed Limit - Wales

Vehicle crashes and KSI road users cost the overall economy £TENS OF BILLIONS every single year.

Stopping distance at 20mph = 3 vehicle lengths.

Stopping distance at 30mph = 6 vehicle lengths.

KE at 20mph (2500kg vehicle) = approximately 100kJ

KE at 30mph = approximately 225kJ

In built up areas, a 20mph speed limit makes perfect sense.
We've had it here for years in school zones, you just get used to it. Doesn't bother me.
 
If you widen the debate to include air quality, which is what Drakeford has done, reducing the speed limit to 20mph makes air quality poorer as the vehicle is in 2nd gear and using more fuel,
I can solve this for you Misty, with all that dough (in cash) you have stashed, just spend some and either buy an automatic (with CVT) or an EV.
No thanks necessary...
 
Precisely, in Wales it is everywhere. Excessive and unnecessary.
I'd be ok if they did it on shopping streets etc. (some already are) I'm not in any hurry, if I was I'd leave earlier.
I'm in favour of anything that slows drivers down.

I'm guessing we'll never agree on this though mate, so no point arguing about it :)
 
I know but it's kind of obvious so how far do you go 15 10 5 walk?

Do we close pubs because of scrapping

Do we ban most foods

20 mph on a busy residential street or near schools is fine but 20 mph is really slow and not necessary. Cyclists go quicker it's general fuckwittery tbh.
Maybe kids and so called responsible adults should get some common sense, learn how to cross a road properly and occasionly lift their head up from their phones and get a general view of what the fuck is going on around them.
 
We've had it here for years in school zones, you just get used to it. Doesn't bother me.
You mention school zones. Do your parents drive up to the school gates, park half on the pavement and half on the bright yellow hazard markings painted on the road just to save little Johnny walking 30 yards ?
I am sick of hearing all this crap about 20 mph around schools when parents act like selfish morons. They are so ignorant and are also the ones who seem to be driving the fastest to get there/away.
 
I can solve this for you Misty, with all that dough (in cash) you have stashed, just spend some and either buy an automatic (with CVT) or an EV.
No thanks necessary...
I do not want to be responsible for half of Patagonia being dug up so that batteries can be made for EV's so I'll pass thanks
 

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