20MPH Speed Limit - Wales

You don't need to drive at any speed in any area. You drive at a speed that is safe for the road conditions. 30mph as a maximum speed is a perfectly safe speed to drive at in a residential area.
If you widen the debate to include air quality, which is what Drakeford has done, reducing the speed limit to 20mph makes air quality poorer as the vehicle is in 2nd gear and using more fuel, the likelihood of congestion increases further reducing air quality and leads to driver frustration which, whilst wrong, is a human trait and it does cause accidents.
All in all, a very poorly thought out policy.

No misty you are wrong. Imperial College London conducted a study in London and found no net negative effect on air condition.

If you have an area where there are roads with 20 and 30 mph, you will be accelerating and braking more often and using more fuel than you would if you were just going along at a steady pace.

Modern cars can drive at lower speeds in 3rd or 4th gears.
 
No misty you are wrong. Imperial College London conducted a study in London and found no net negative effect on air condition.

If you have an area where there are roads with 20 and 30 mph, you will be accelerating and braking more often and using more fuel than you would if you were just going along at a steady pace.

Modern cars can drive at lower speeds in 3rd or 4th gears.
I've found that if you pay someone enough money to study something they will say what you want to hear. Just like we were told diesels were better.
 
But most drivers only go so much over the speed limit. If it's 40mph they will drive at 50mph, if it's 30 mph they will drive at 40mph etc. So reducing the limit to 20mph will reduce speeds, even if they are still over the limit and that will result in fewer accidents, injuries and deaths. It may also reduce travel times in large conurbations, strangely enough.
Who drives 40mph in a 30mph zone? Only cunts do
 
I know but it's kind of obvious so how far do you go 15 10 5 walk?

Do we close pubs because of scrapping

Do we ban most foods

20 mph on a busy residential street or near schools is fine but 20 mph is really slow and not necessary. Cyclists go quicker it's general fuckwittery tbh.

The average cyclist averages about 10mph.

Bikes are not subject to the speed limit and don’t put out any emissions so really not sure what your point is.
 
The average cyclist averages about 10mph.

Bikes are not subject to the speed limit and don’t put out any emissions so really not sure what your point is.
So does the speed limit not apply to electric vehicles then? We were in Anglesey as a few weeks ago and it feels bloody slow crawling along at 20, I understand around residential areas, schools but it’s becoming farcical now the war on the car, cars in second gear at 20 are surely going to produce more fumes for longer?
 
So does the speed limit not apply to electric vehicles then? We were in Anglesey as a few weeks ago and it feels bloody slow crawling along at 20, I understand around residential areas, schools but it’s becoming farcical now the war on the car, cars in second gear at 20 are surely going to produce more fumes for longer?

Yes, it does.

I suggest you buy yourself a copy of the Highway Code mate.

And if you can’t get out of second gear at 20mph, you should have your car looked at.
 
Yes, it does.

I suggest you buy yourself a copy of the Highway Code mate.

And if you can’t get out of second gear at 20mph, you should have your car looked at.
I was been sarcastic, but if it’s to reduce emissions why would they! I can get out of third mate, funnily enough I have an auto, but many vans, you know the big polluters won’t.
 

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