24 | Joško Gvardiol - 2023/24

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Haaland94 said:
Name a better LCB U22 in world football. There is a reason why most people in this thread think he will become the best in the world in his position. We almost broke the world record for him, so our management must be pretty confident he is special. Hell, the boy was already nominated for the Ballon d'Or. His forward passing between the lines is one of the biggest reasons why we bought him, so that's his offensive contribution. The way he carries the ball. Strong, assured, technically brilliant. He was the fastest CB in the Bundesliga as well. Fantastic at 1 vs 1. He hasn't played much at LB, though, and is just learning his new position in a new environment. He has been mostly excellent this season, including against Newcastle a few days ago.

I think he made one error since.

People must get that we don't just buy fucks full-backs who go forward every time they get a chance, like Couto or Frimpong. That's not the Man City way. We haven't had a player like that for a long-time now.
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ah some people just want a super fast offensive lb, joško will never ever be good enough cause he isn’t one.

btw, they had him do a press conference yesterday, he was, inevitably, asked about city. one of the things he said: i’m satisfied, i’m not playing the position i’d love to play but i’m doing my best. - next season will be interesting.
 
vanchi said:
ah some people just want a super fast offensive lb, joško will never ever be good enough cause he isn’t one.

btw, they had him do a press conference yesterday, he was, inevitably, asked about city. one of the things he said: i’m satisfied, i’m not playing the position i’d love to play but i’m doing my best. - next season will be interesting.
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Hopefully he can play John Stones role sooner than later next season.
 
vanchi said:
ah some people just want a super fast offensive lb, joško will never ever be good enough cause he isn’t one.

btw, they had him do a press conference yesterday, he was, inevitably, asked about city. one of the things he said: i’m satisfied, i’m not playing the position i’d love to play but i’m doing my best. - next season will be interesting.
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What's wrong with wanting a fast offensive lb? Isn't that how most Pep teams play (especially when playing with a target man upfront)?

Pep became more experimental when he came here and it's yielded great results but sometimes you get the feeling that the end product from the left wing isn't just enough. There are some who believe an overlapping lb would help create an attacking threat there especially when we play against teams that sit deep. Jack/Doku drifts towards the center and pulls the defender on him, creating space for an overlapping lb to get the pass and put a low / high cross in for our target man.

Back when we had the false 9 setup, we played with a fast overlapping lb and got a lot of results and I could argue that right now the need to play with a fast, attack minded lb is even more important especially seeing as we now play with a target man upfront. Not taking anything away from Gvardiol but he's not meant for that role and it's stifling our attacking play from that wing.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
Not taking anything away from Gvardiol but he's not meant for that role and it's stifling our attacking play from that wing.
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Gvardiol would only be 'stifling' our attacking play if he was being chosen ahead of someone who could play a fast offensive LB role proficiently. Last time I looked we had nobody that could do that.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
What's wrong with wanting a fast offensive lb? Isn't that how most Pep teams play (especially when playing with a target man upfront)?

Pep became more experimental when he came here and it's yielded great results but sometimes you get the feeling that the end product from the left wing isn't just enough. There are some who believe an overlapping lb would help create an attacking threat there especially when we play against teams that sit deep. Jack/Doku drifts towards the center and pulls the defender on him, creating space for an overlapping lb to get the pass and put a low / high cross in for our target man.

Back when we had the false 9 setup, we played with a fast overlapping lb and got a lot of results and I could argue that right now the need to play with a fast, attack minded lb is even more important especially seeing as we now play with a target man upfront. Not taking anything away from Gvardiol but he's not meant for that role and it's stifling our attacking play from that wing.
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Who is this great overlapping lb that you are referring to? We haven't had a proper LB since Kolarov many years ago. He was not exactly world-class either, and I was a fan.

Also, we create more threats from our LB than RB. One of the main reasons we signed Gvardiol is because he can pass the ball like a midfielder and find space that we often need to break down defenses. That's what Pep wants.
 
Haaland94 said:
Who is this great overlapping lb that you are referring to? We haven't had a proper LB since Kolarov many years ago. He was not exactly world-class either, and I was a fan.

Also, we create more threats from our LB than RB. One of the main reasons we signed Gvardiol is because he can pass the ball like a midfielder and find space that we often need to break down defenses. That's what Pep wants.
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Not true. Mendy was a good option for the attack build up and even created some chances for Kun during the "shark team" season (remember the funny cowboy dance celebration with Kun?) before the injuries problems started and then the "other" problems started
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
Not true. Mendy was a good option for the attack build up and even created some chances for Kun during the "shark team" season (remember the funny cowboy dance celebration with Kun?) before the injuries problems started and then the "other" problems started
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Whereas he was the type of player you are describing, he was hardly a success story at City. I think we are likely going to look for a more attacking minded RB as a long-term Kyle Walker replacement if anything, but I don't think Pep is even considering a LB. We are linked to a left-footed Jarrod Branthwaite as well, so it seem Pep is happy with Josko/Nathan at LB. We have been playing the 4 CB system quite a lot as well, so I think it could be here to stay.
 
Haaland94 said:
Whereas he was the type of player you are describing, he was hardly a success story at City. I think we are likely going to look for a more attacking minded RB as a long-term Kyle Walker replacement if anything, but I don't think Pep is even considering a LB. We are linked to a left-footed Jarrod Branthwaite as well, so it seem Pep is happy with Josko/Nathan at LB. We have been playing the 4 CB system quite a lot as well, so I think it could be here to stay.
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No one is saying he was a success story, I'm saying Mendy showed that playing an attacking lb created more chances and made us formidable. Many would argue that our most dominant era (purely based on football play and not titles) was the centurion season and we played with attacking fullbacks (at least when Mendy was fit)
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
No one is saying he was a success story, I'm saying Mendy showed that playing an attacking lb created more chances and made us formidable. Many would argue that our most dominant era (purely based on football play and not titles) was the centurion season and we played with attacking fullbacks (at least when Mendy was fit)
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We have Sergio Gomez, so essentially an attacking midfielder asked to play LB, and he is not getting a look-in. As attacking as it gets, and he has a good cross on him as well (Red Star at home, Fulham at home), yet Pep prefers Nathan/Josko there instead of playing them at CB. Of course, they are vastly superior defenders, but realistically, we could have played Gomez more against the lower table sides for more attacking threat, but we didn't. As I said, looking at the Branthwaite rumours, and with the likes of Doku and, in the future, Savio playing as wingers for us, I doubt we would be looking to add attacking-minded full-backs on top of it.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
Not taking anything away from Gvardiol but he's not meant for that role and it's stifling our attacking play from that wing.
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Any of the highlight videos from them season show a fair amount of offensive contribution. He’s just missed out on a handful of assists. That said, if that isn’t enough for people, he could also get better at this role.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
What's wrong with wanting a fast offensive lb?
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absolutely nothing.

but blaming gvardiol for pep playing him there instead of a fast offensive lb is insane, he didn’t force city to sign him and i doubt he’s blackmailing pep into playing him in that position, especially when he’s a cb. but hey, whatever floats your boat.
 
vanchi said:
absolutely nothing.

but blaming gvardiol for pep playing him there instead of a fast offensive lb is insane, he didn’t force city to sign him and i doubt he’s blackmailing pep into playing him in that position, especially when he’s a cb. but hey, whatever floats your boat.
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We don’t have a fast offensive LB though. This whole argument is ridiculous as there is no one approaching his competence to play there. Might as well say Phil is hindering our attack as he isn’t bloody Messi.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
We don’t have a fast offensive LB though. This whole argument is ridiculous as there is no one approaching his competence to play there. Might as well say Phil is hindering our attack as he isn’t bloody Messi.
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i couldn’t agree more. i often agree with you, you are a wise man saddleworth2.
 
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