31 | Ederson - 2024/25

[King Jay]

Again some average goalkeeping performance from him.

 

[heslops barnet]

Again some average goalkeeping performance from him.

Seems to be the norm nowadays….a few decent stops, some great kicks/passes followed by numerous fuck ups

 

[ninjamonkey]

He wasn't where he should be on this occasion no chance, he was absolutely nowhere near Mbappe the ball or the net. He wasn't around the edge of his box either he was near the penalty spot, he put himself in the worst position possible for that situation. The only way he could have been positioned worse is if he was stood near the corner flag, it was horrendous goalkeeping.

There is absolutely no defending the position he took up.

Watch it again. He was exactly where he should be when the ball was played, which is around the edge of his box.

The time between the ball being played, Dias' total fuck up and mbappe getting it, he's backed up all that he can from his starting position and ended up where he was, he can't go anywhere else. So where exactly do you think he should be? Are you expecting him to backup to his line in an instant via teleportation or are you suggesting he shouldnt be on the edge of his box as instructed to be for the past 7 years or whatever it is he's been here?

Here's the best screenshot I could get, he's already backtracking at this point from his starting position

 

[Sheikh rattle and roll]

He wasn't where he should be on this occasion no chance, he was absolutely nowhere near Mbappe the ball or the net. He wasn't around the edge of his box either he was near the penalty spot, he put himself in the worst position possible for that situation. The only way he could have been positioned worse is if he was stood near the corner flag, it was horrendous goalkeeping.

There is absolutely no defending the position he took up.

Here’s the defence - what did the left mid do to stop the long ball ? - nothing
What did tow centre backs do to stop / deal with Mbappe ? - nothing
But hey ho let’s blame Eddie

 

[RayCTID]

Eddie kept the score to respectable levels. The rest of the defence barring Khusanov didn't do themselves any favours, but to be fair to Dias it was his first start for a while.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Watch it again. He was exactly where he should be when the ball was played, which is around the edge of his box.

The time between the ball being played, Dias' total fuck up and mbappe getting it, he's backed up all that he can from his starting position and ended up where he was, he can't go anywhere else. So where exactly do you think he should be? Are you expecting him to backup to his line in an instant via teleportation or are you suggesting he shouldnt be on the edge of his box as instructed to be for the past 7 years or whatever it is he's been here?

Here's the best screenshot I could get, he's already backtracking at this point from his starting position View attachment 147385

Yes, as soon as the ball was played, he should have been backtracking. It’s fine wanting to play high when making yourself available as a deep outfield player, but you have to be alert enough to be able to get into the proper position for the situation.

And, would he be any less available to the defenders if he was 5 yards further back?

 

[Blu1]

He’s a great keeper if we play to his strengths sadly we haven’t all season & he’s making some silly mistakes & facing more shots

 

[ninjamonkey]

Yes, as soon as the ball was played, he should have been backtracking. It’s fine wanting to play high when making yourself available as a deep outfield player, but you have to be alert enough to be able to get into the proper position for the situation.

And, would he be any less available to the defenders if he was 5 yards further back?

That's exactly what he does? He has a brief moment where he sets himself when Dias does whatever the hell he did, other than that he's backtracking all the time, he simply cannot do anything else, there's no fault whatsoever on him.

Sweeper keepers will always be at a major disadvantage when an accurate long ball is played because they naturally won't be in a good position to deal with it, that's the flaw in the system. The system ensures inaccurate balls are mopped up, the counter action to stop the flaw being exploited is the front press not allowing time or space to play those balls without being under extreme pressure.

Our sweeping hasn't changed this season, personnel may have changed at the back but the defensive line hasn't changed either, what has changed is the front press. It's now a piss poor imitation, genuinely one of the worst in the league and that gives the opposition all the time to play accurate balls in behind. Give the best players in the world that time and space and they'll do it very easily as proven by the sheer number of times it's happened this season compared to previous seasons. That's the wider problem here, (in this specific instance it's Dias) the problem isn't the keeper being where he's told to be.

 

[kippaxchris]

Here’s the defence - what did the left mid do to stop the long ball ? - nothing
What did tow centre backs do to stop / deal with Mbappe ? - nothing
But hey ho let’s blame Eddie

It was poor all round but the chance would have been a lot harder for Mbappe had he not stood where he did, he made it easy for him.

 

[kippaxchris]

Watch it again. He was exactly where he should be when the ball was played, which is around the edge of his box.

The time between the ball being played, Dias' total fuck up and mbappe getting it, he's backed up all that he can from his starting position and ended up where he was, he can't go anywhere else. So where exactly do you think he should be? Are you expecting him to backup to his line in an instant via teleportation or are you suggesting he shouldnt be on the edge of his box as instructed to be for the past 7 years or whatever it is he's been here?

Here's the best screenshot I could get, he's already backtracking at this point from his starting position View attachment 147385

I don't need to watch it again, he made it easy for Mbappe. The pros themselves said it, it's also not about being where he usually should be or teleportation as you put it, it's about reading the game & adjusting to scenarios, as soon as that ball was sent forward everybody knew it was dropping in behind Dias & everybody knew Ederson was getting lobbed.

Forget Dias for a second, mistake or not do you honestly believe Ederson should be stood in that position with Mbappe chasing those kind of balls? You do not stand that far off your line with an over the top ball incase it bounces, it's basic goalkeeping!

 

[Dax777]

Watch it again. He was exactly where he should be when the ball was played, which is around the edge of his box.

The time between the ball being played, Dias' total fuck up and mbappe getting it, he's backed up all that he can from his starting position and ended up where he was, he can't go anywhere else. So where exactly do you think he should be? Are you expecting him to backup to his line in an instant via teleportation or are you suggesting he shouldnt be on the edge of his box as instructed to be for the past 7 years or whatever it is he's been here?

Here's the best screenshot I could get, he's already backtracking at this point from his starting position View attachment 147385

Based on this picture, it made sense he backed off. The bsll looked 65/35 as advantage Mbappe from that view. And the fact that both Stones and Diaa were trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to track him made it a good decision to back pedal

 

[RayCTID]

You could argue about Eddie's positioning on the opening goal but afterwards he did stop us from being really humilated. He could have easily thrown in the towel after that.

 

[kippaxchris]

Based on this picture, it made sense he backed off. The bsll looked 65/35 as advantage Mbappe from that view. And the fact that both Stones and Diaa were trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to track him made it a good decision to back pedal

He shouldn't have come in the first place, if he had a chance of making a challenge for the ball or beating the attacker to it then yes it would have been the correct decision to come, once he realised he made the wrong decision it was too late to back off.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I hope this is the last time in the Pep era when a player mentally checks out and wants a move away we just allow it, and reinvest the transfer fee and lose of huge wages back into the squad.

We held onto Kyle 12-18 months too long, and now we sure looked like we did the same with Eddie and who knows if Saudi will bail us out this summer with another 25M+ offer.

I was never in the Ortega No. 1 camp this past summer, but if we would have just let Eddie leave when he wanted we could have certainly brought in a young top notch keeper with his wages off the books as well as 25M+ fee

 

[RayCTID]

If a player gives us time to bring in a suitable replacement and the buying club does meet our valuation then we would let him go.

 

[Dax777]

He shouldn't have come in the first place, if he had a chance of making a challenge for the ball or beating the attacker to it then yes it would have been the correct decision to come, once he realised he made the wrong decision it was too late to back off.

But i think he was high up normally anyway. Sunce we hold a high line, our keeper generally doesn't sit on his line or in the 6 box. He is normally just outside or slightly inside his 18.

Which is where he was in that pic.

 

[Dax777]

I hope this is the last time in the Pep era when a player mentally checks out and wants a move away we just allow it, and reinvest the transfer fee and lose of huge wages back into the squad.

We held onto Kyle 12-18 months too long, and now we sure looked like we did the same with Eddie and who knows if Saudi will bail us out this summer with another 25M+ offer.

I was never in the Ortega No. 1 camp this past summer, but if we would have just let Eddie leave when he wanted we could have certainly brought in a young top notch keeper with his wages off the books as well as 25M+ fee

Sadly, we do this every year. Most of our good players tend to stay 1 or 2 years past their decline.

 

[ninjamonkey]

I don't need to watch it again, he made it easy for Mbappe. The pros themselves said it, it's also not about being where he usually should be or teleportation as you put it, it's about reading the game & adjusting to scenarios, as soon as that ball was sent forward everybody knew it was dropping in behind Dias & everybody knew Ederson was getting lobbed.

Forget Dias for a second, mistake or not do you honestly believe Ederson should be stood in that position with Mbappe chasing those kind of balls? You do not stand that far off your line with a bouncing over the top ball it's, basic goalkeeping!

No, dias made it easy for Mbappe not Ederson. He read the game, he was in his customary position prepared to sweep, the ball came in, hes instantly backtracked knowing it isn't a ball to come for, dias makes a mess of it and leaves ederson up shit creek. What is Ederson supposed to do differently?

Do I believe he should be stood there? Yes, 100% because that's what's he's instructed to do as the sweeper keeper and that's the system that has helped us win what we've won.

All I'm seeing here is you disagreeing with Peps decision to play sweeper keeper, something he's done through the entirety of his career and suggesting Ederson should be directly disobeying those fundamental principles.

Seeing as youre insistent Ederson is to blame here, i'll ask you this, where do you think he should have been instead? And what did he do wrong in your eyes?

 

[RayCTID]

With Eddie's situation it happend towards the end of Summer's transfer window. Little time to bring in a suitable replacement. Up until Feyernoord he was one of our better performers so not lacking in motivation before that game.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Sadly, we do this every year. Most of our good players tend to stay 1 or 2 years past their decline.

It’s got to be tough, because Pep needs to trust his players…and he’s got almost a decade of trust built up with Eddie and Kyle and him were obviously very close.

However, these guys are human.
It’s a profession to them.
Eddie had an opportunity to reportedly make 600 per week. He wouldn’t be human if he didn’t think about that many times these past few months. That’s insane money.
We should have just took the transfer fee and got a new young hungry keeper with plenty to prove.

It sadly looks like a big mistake, unless we can hopefully find someone this summer transfer window.