737-8 max plane goes down (2018) - new not Max crash Indonesia

Scottyboi said:
Behave, they have royally fucked up with this plane from day 1 all due to Airbus doing so well. The leadership pushing profit over safety and in the process have tarnished such a huge company. There is no target painted on their back to suggest otherwise makes you sound like a fanboy.
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Indeed but I wouldn't go as far as saying they're literally putting profit above safety because that would be criminally negiligent and you can't get away with that in such a regulated and litigated industry. For me it is more the culture of Boeing that has changed as opposed to actual negligence.

Any safety led culture will aim to mitigate the factors that lead to accidents but removing them completely often comes down to cost. For example, you could have 5 computers control something because having 5 instead of 1 protects against a single computer failure, however how much do those 5 computers cost? You could have 2 but then aren't you potentially reducing safety versus having 5? It's complicated but cost/profit is a factor, even at Airbus.

The biggest change I've seen in the industry over the years is the change from being engineering driven to project driven and that's where the dangers lie, it comes down to culture. Having a project culture means that engineering projects are often led by people who have no background in engineering and they're there to deliver and sell aircraft above all else.

These people however are often the kind of people who are mainly driven by cost because they get bonuses from profit, so do they really care about the products as long as they're being sold? It's no different to car salesmen, are they really interested in the cars that they sell?
 
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I’d rather get a bus through Liverpool town centre with the City badge plastered all over it then get on a Boeing aircraft.

I know the odds are still tiny on something going wrong but there’s clearly something going deeply wrong at Boeing.
 
Haven’t a clue about these planes all I know is that Ryanair have some of them,do they use them on domestic flights or are they more for the European flights ?
 
deano ou812 said:
Haven’t a clue about these planes all I know is that Ryanair have some of them,do they use them on domestic flights or are they more for the European flights ?
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Flying to Tenerife on December 12th last year with Ryanair I woke up from dozing off. We were about an hour from.landing when I heard " Number one to flight deck" repeated twice and the crew hot footing it to the front of the plane. I said to the woman on my row, "We've got a problem" she looked at my like I was mad. Like the rest of the passengers she was oblivious something was wrong. Sure enough the captain came on the tannoy to tell us we were going to have to make an emergency landing in Faro in twenty minute as we had a problem with the port engine. We came down with a hell of a bump, the good engine screeching and emergency services racing alongside. I was at the back and could smell the rubber of the tyres burning. Obviously we were okay. The crazy thing was as we landed and got internet connection we were the main headline of the sun online. No idea how they got the story that quickly.

There seems to be more of these diversions due to engine problems than there used to be.
 
paulchapo said:
Flying to Tenerife on December 12th last year with Ryanair I woke up from dozing off. We were about an hour from.landing when I heard " Number one to flight deck" repeated twice and the crew hot footing it to the front of the plane. I said to the woman on my row, "We've got a problem" she looked at my like I was mad. Like the rest of the passengers she was oblivious something was wrong. Sure enough the captain came on the tannoy to tell us we were going to have to make an emergency landing in Faro in twenty minute as we had a problem with the port engine. We came down with a hell of a bump, the good engine screeching and emergency services racing alongside. I was at the back and could smell the rubber of the tyres burning. Obviously we were okay. The crazy thing was as we landed and got internet connection we were the main headline of the sun online. No idea how they got the story that quickly.

There seems to be more of these diversions due to engine problems than there used to be.
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The media listen in to Air Traffic Control.
 
paulchapo said:
Flying to Tenerife on December 12th last year with Ryanair I woke up from dozing off. We were about an hour from.landing when I heard " Number one to flight deck" repeated twice and the crew hot footing it to the front of the plane. I said to the woman on my row, "We've got a problem" she looked at my like I was mad. Like the rest of the passengers she was oblivious something was wrong. Sure enough the captain came on the tannoy to tell us we were going to have to make an emergency landing in Faro in twenty minute as we had a problem with the port engine. We came down with a hell of a bump, the good engine screeching and emergency services racing alongside. I was at the back and could smell the rubber of the tyres burning. Obviously we were okay. The crazy thing was as we landed and got internet connection we were the main headline of the sun online. No idea how they got the story that quickly.

There seems to be more of these diversions due to engine problems than there used to be.
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Fuck! I’m off to Tenerife on 4 June (the day after the parade! ;-)) and didn’t really want to read this!
 
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