Ha ha, you didn't mate. I was meaning that I was only commenting on one piece of info rather than having any idea what brought the plane down so was trying not to come across as a know it all. Difficult to put across inflection in the written word!Sorry. I din't mean to come across as having a go; I hadn't really considered the possibility of the tail becoming detached as a result of a rudder system failure. I guess in this case it could be compounded issues.
It'll be interesting to see the outcome, and what the crew inputs were. Could they have ignored warnings, or overridden settings? Certainly if the AP trips out, and the indications appear normal then they could attempt to re-engage. The black box and CVR will be telling.Unlikely. An Air Data problem would cause the autopilot to trip out with an audible warning to the pilot. There are so many monitors and comparators on a modern autopilot that there's no way that it could do something like this.
That's not to say it may be an Air Data related problem that caused it but there's no way the autopilot would have flown it into this situation, it would have tripped out long before.
If Air Data was different from the separate systems, any attempt at re-engaging the Autopilot would have failed.It'll be interesting to see the outcome, and what the crew inputs were. Could they have ignored warnings, or overridden settings? Certainly if the AP trips out, and the indications appear normal then they could attempt to re-engage. The black box and CVR will be telling.
The “M” part of MEL isn’t always the case. Many, many operators use the MEL as a starting point from which they seek exemptions...but that’s probably not the issue here. However, IF the MEL is being used to move an aircraft, then it means that the redundancy is no longer in place and the loss of further equipment may be cause for concern. For instance, you can fly with one of the fire detection loops inside an engine on the blink. If the other one fails...Aircraft are designed to be fault tolerant so if there's an in flight failure there will be a backup system to carry out the function. If the aircraft is already carrying a fault it may only be a single failure from disaster which is why an aircraft should never take off if it is carrying certain faults. All aircraft have a Minimum Equipment List (MEL) which defines the minimum configuration for safe flight. The investigators will be looking very closely at whether the MEL requirements were adhered to.
Beats all the alternatives, unless you have more time and money to spare than most people!My last 3 flights back to the UK have resulted in waiting for a space to land so we have to fly around in circles until we could land. For me, flying is a horrible experience.
I take it you don’t drive, then, either?and this is why i will never ever ever fly,people keep telling me flying is safe yet they keep going down!!,my 24 yo daughter and 4 yo grandaughter flew for the 1st time to spain saturday,and i can't settle till i know they are back safe...
Bit harsh. One pilot couldn’t believe what his eyes were telling him and couldn’t process the change of state....that appeared far more obvious to the Captain who returned to the Flight Deck and realized immediately...because he hadn’t been through what they had seen and experienced.One pilot lost his mind. The other pilot couldn't see what the co-pilot was doing with his side stick until it was too late.
I suspect you are right about the flying skills issue. It was probably a technical problem that a skilled experienced pilot would have managed properly but an inexperienced pilot relying on automation may have struggled with when the automation was not available.The “M” part of MEL isn’t always the case. Many, many operators use the MEL as a starting point from which they seek exemptions...but that’s probably not the issue here. However, IF the MEL is being used to move an aircraft, then it means that the redundancy is no longer in place and the loss of further equipment may be cause for concern. For instance, you can fly with one of the fire detection loops inside an engine on the blink. If the other one fails...
From what I’ve read, there were maintenance issues with unreliable airspeed indication from the previous day, then this other “engine” issue that has been reported that delayed departure.
Hate to broadbrush, but some non western countries rely on the automation draw more than we do elsewhere, where we do a lot of “automation failed/off” training, which goes back to fundamentals of pitch and power. With either of the above issues, HAND FLYING SKILLS ARE PARAMOUNT, so I hope against hope that lack of basic flying skills wasn’t the issue. Then again, I fly that aircraft, so I hope it wasn’t a serious mechanical issue, either!
Coincidentally, I’m off to do my 9 month simulator training today for the next few days, so I’m sure there will be some talk about this crash. I’ll let you know if I hear anything of substance.
i currently use the most dangerous form of transport daily a motorcycle,but theres no way i'l ever set foot on a plane..You are of course correct.
If Mr Gravy was to apply the same logic to all walks of life, he'd never get in a car.
i currently use the most dangerous form of transport daily a motorcycle,but theres no way i'l ever set foot on a plane..
no mate cant drive lol i do ride a motorcycle though but i'd take my chance on that before any plane lolI take it you don’t drive, then, either?
Presumably in the stacks around Thiefrow and Gatwick.My last 3 flights back to the UK have resulted in waiting for a space to land so we have to fly around in circles until we could land. For me, flying is a horrible experience.
I take it you don’t drive, then, either?
LHR to Genoa on BA, pilot aborted landing at around 50ft off ground, didn’t say if there was something on runway or wind shear, but nothing has ever come close to putting the shits up me as much.
That’s why we don’t have many crashes! Flying is multiple times safer than driving...look it up!You crash in a car you’re likely to survive
You crash in a plane you’re dead
I’m going to do that at least 5 times tomorrow in the simulator, so it shouldn’t bother you. Happens all the time, and almost happened to me on landing just last night in Chicago. Sometimes, spacing is just too tight, aircraft land at different speeds and slow down at different rates, etc, etc...No biggie! Power up, suck up some flaps, gear up, climb speed, Bob’s your uncle...and come back around and do it again! ;-)
Yes, we do, but then we aren’t sitting right next to them either.I don’t know if you get the full audio effects in the simulator, but the screaming coming from the engines when presumably full thrust was applied was scary.