82 | Rico Lewis - 2024/25

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a tidy player n performance again, and you can see him improving with each game. Hes got a sharp passing ability, those eye-of-the-needle passes are impressive in midfield - albeit in midst of controlling possession. Still a solid footballer who is still a work in progress

defensive position might need questioning.... still a kid ffs
 
the screenshot should clear it up. You can't call semedo, doku's man simply because he's the rwb and doku's the left winger. Doku is in a perfectly fine position pressuring the ball, nobody is out of position there at that point. Rico simply doesn't switch on quickly enough, he starts jogging and the sprint doesn't come soon enough.

You'll notice their striker has peeled off. It would be comical to see stones stay with the striker there as the ball goes to the opposite side, when the ball is on the other side, the whole unit shifts across and the fullback tucks in on the last man, that's just the basics of a back line, you won't see 2 centre backs split, unless you watch united.



I've seen the video, that's where the screenshot has come from, where pep wants him to play in possession has no influence on this goal. He's already back in the right back position before the ball even enters our half, at that point, he's the conventional fullback and expected to do the basics of a fullback. Gvardiol goes towards the ball, dias shifts across, stones positions off dias and Rico tucks in. They all actually attempt that, the error is Rico doesn't do it quickly enough.

He's another screenshot as the ball leaves semedos foot, you surely cannot be suggesting stones should be with the goalscorer there? Stones has to position himself off dias, he cannot leave a chasm between his centre back partner. It's a clear basic error from Lewis.

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He is simply wrong side of the attacker again.
 
I will get pelters, but I think he was a problem in attack yesterday. Basically he would pass the ball and bomb forward every single time, I think he needs to learn that bombing forward after a pass every time is not always the right call, he should maybe fake a forward run, hold it and be available for a simple pass back if needed. He also occupied the passing lanes into Haaland quite a bit as this was the area he ran into, I think again, changing the run and position to where it suits at that time would have been more effective. he is still learning so I am not saying he is rubbish, just yesterday I think he needed to use his head more in some situations. Final thing, this is my observation, so please don't slag me off in replies, its a forum and people are allowed their own opinion.
 
Rico was back in, him playing further forward in possession had no impact on the goal. We lost the ball on the edge of their box, They went backwards first which allowed us to reset, meaning nobody should be put of position, the ball then pretty much switches flanks twice before they scored, he had ample time to get himself on the correct line, he simply switched off and by time he tried to react it was too late.

Here's a screen shot as the ball is still in their half going out to semedo, he's back in position. just isn't quick enough to spot the danger and put on a sprint.

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I'm guessing the last bit isn't directed at me as I've not singled Rico out for not being good enough, simply pointing out that goal was on him and that's something he has to improve because teams will target the space he leaves.
In that position, a right back takes the lead in the defensive move because he can see the whole play in front of him.

The first thing Lewis should do is communicate to Stones and Dias about where Cunha is, while he gets round to take the striker.
The next and most important thing is that he busts a gut to get goal side of the striker, which he doesn’t do. But not only did he not do it, he simply jogged back.

Stones and Dias actually are in a good position because they are fairly close together and they’re in a straight line so they can communicate to each other and they maintain that position making Cunha a difficult ball for the wide man or can either run with him or play him offside if the ball is slipped into the channel, depending on what they chose as best.

Gvardiol is in the hardest position because most of the transition is going on behind him. If he gets sucked into the wide man, he can be done for a bit of trickery and pace so he righty runs parallel to the touchline.

Lewis is the only one doing anything wrong (apart from Doku who gave the ball away initially).

That’s the third time now we’ve conceded a goal from Lewis not understanding his right back role.
 
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the screenshot should clear it up. You can't call semedo, doku's man simply because he's the rwb and doku's the left winger. Doku is in a perfectly fine position pressuring the ball, nobody is out of position there at that point. Rico simply doesn't switch on quickly enough, he starts jogging and the sprint doesn't come soon enough.

You'll notice their striker has peeled off. It would be comical to see stones stay with the striker there as the ball goes to the opposite side, when the ball is on the other side, the whole unit shifts across and the fullback tucks in on the last man, that's just the basics of a back line, you won't see 2 centre backs split, unless you watch united.



I've seen the video, that's where the screenshot has come from, where pep wants him to play in possession has no influence on this goal. He's already back in the right back position before the ball even enters our half, at that point, he's the conventional fullback and expected to do the basics of a fullback. Gvardiol goes towards the ball, dias shifts across, stones positions off dias and Rico tucks in. They all actually attempt that, the error is Rico doesn't do it quickly enough.

He's another screenshot as the ball leaves semedos foot, you surely cannot be suggesting stones should be with the goalscorer there? Stones has to position himself off dias, he cannot leave a chasm between his centre back partner. It's a clear basic error from Lewis.

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You’re correct. Stones and Dias are still in the correct position there because there should never be a wide gap between the two centre backs.

The striker is Lewis’ man.
 
Anyone know how many times he won the ball back yesterday? Don't have the stats but it seemed like a lot.

Thought he had a good game again and that he was a big reason why we managed to keep the pressure on them throughout.

What I will say is that he got caught out for their goal and he switched off last second against Adama to give him a chance in the previous game. Needs to be on it from start to finish next time around.
 
You’re correct. Stones and Dias are still in the correct position there because there should never be a wide gap between the two centre backs.

The striker is Lewis’ man.

Lewis should be cutting that ball out 100%. I also thought Dias probably had the opportunity to anticipate the ball and cut it out though.
 
On the ball Lewis is much better than he is a defender. He doesn’t give the ball away much and is available for the pass all the time.

Yet he’s still ineffective when it comes to contributing to a goalscoring opportunity. He doesn’t shoot when he should, if he does it’s a bobbins shot and he does things like pass to the players wrong foot who’s in a good shooting position.

He’s got a lot to learn.

I think young players shouldn’t play too much too young in the first team at this level because they aren’t consistent (not just match to match, but minute to minute) and can get into bad habits, and I can see that happening with Lewis already.
 
In that position, a right back takes the lead in the defensive move because he can see the whole play in front of him.

The first thing Lewis should do is communicate to Stones and Dias about where Cunha is, while he gets round to take the striker.
The next and most important thing is that he busts a gut to get goal side of the striker, which he doesn’t do. But not only did he not do it, he simply jogged back.

Stones and Dias actually are in a good position because they are fairly close together and they’re in a straight line so they can communicate to each other and they maintain that position making Cunha a difficult ball for the wide man or can either run with him or play him offside if the ball is slipped into the channel, depending on what they chose as best.

Gvardiol is in the hardest position because most of the transition is going on behind him. If he gets sucked into the wide man, he can be done for a bit of trickery and pace so he righty runs parallel to the touchline.

Lewis is the only one doing anything wrong (apart from Doku who gave the ball away initially).

That’s the third time now we’ve conceded a goal from Lewis not understanding his right back role.
Sorry, completely disagree with this assessment and I am fairly sure Pep would, as well.

You are applying the basic positioning whilst defending normal possession to defending a counter situation, which is not fully applicable in this case. Stones doesn’t need to stay near Dias to “communicate” as they are sprinting back to their own goal when Dias has position on the middle runner, which he did. “Communication” is not going to achieve anything in a discrete counter event like this. The priority is cover all runners, as you keep a good line, which they were (though, Dias was going to be playing every Wolves player onside based on his positioning, but that was necessary to ensure the ball could not reach the middle runner, which he was expertly covering).

With a far post runner, and the RB out of position (which is almost always the case with Lewis due to how Pep asks him to play), Stones should be staying in line with Dias, but running toward the far runner to close him down and cut out any ball that may make it’s way across the box. We didn’t need two CBs covering the single middle runner, when Dias already had him adequately handled. That is a complete waste of limited resources, as we eventually saw.

Both Gvardiol and Stones made mistakes in the way they approached defending the counter. Gvardiol effectively took himself out of play by not closing either the line of the cross or Semedo down directly via hestitation (he initially ran away from Semedo, then trying to correct himself as the Wolves player launched the cross after realising Gvardiol and Stones had left an opening for it).

Stones’ mistake was the worst, though, as he completely took himself out of having any impact whatsoever on play, which is exceedingly obvious when you watch back the full video of the goal (he is in no man’s land, covering neither a player nor relevant space to prevent danger as the ball comes in). I am fairly confident he would be the first to admit he should have done much better.

We can say Lewis should have gotten back faster, which could be a reasonable criticism (though, as I have pointed out several times, he was unlikely to have ever been in a position to properly cover the far post runner due to his starting position; Stones was the defender who could have).

But to act as if neither Gvardiol nor Stones did anything wrong in that defensive situation, and thus did not significantly contribute to conceding the goal, is just not credible when applying even basic tactical analysis.

It’s strange to even have to argue this, as this is pretty standard stuff you are taught as defenders coming up through youth football.
 
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I will get pelters, but I think he was a problem in attack yesterday. Basically he would pass the ball and bomb forward every single time, I think he needs to learn that bombing forward after a pass every time is not always the right call, he should maybe fake a forward run, hold it and be available for a simple pass back if needed. He also occupied the passing lanes into Haaland quite a bit as this was the area he ran into, I think again, changing the run and position to where it suits at that time would have been more effective. he is still learning so I am not saying he is rubbish, just yesterday I think he needed to use his head more in some situations. Final thing, this is my observation, so please don't slag me off in replies, its a forum and people are allowed their own opinion.
Agreed. A few posters getting irked by some of us making criticisms of him, but I don’t think anyone making critical comments is saying he’s a “bad player”. I’m certainly not and have included positives about him too. But ultimately I do think he has been a weak link for us at times.
 
Would like to see him play the 'controller' 8 role is in, in a 'lesser' game but why wouldn't you use McAtee at that point? Do really like alot of this kids game when we are in total control. Clever player.

Maybe a 343 diamond mid with him just sat and being the extra pass/body.
 
IMO Rico doesn’t offer enough in the opposition half to justify the loss at RB. He doesn’t score goals and has minimal impact on chance creation. Yeah he is neat and tidy in possession but I would expect the same of nearly all youngsters who have spent most of their footballing development in our academy.

I don’t see the value in having a RB who spends most of a game moving into midfield, who then fails to impact the game defensively or offensively. Maybe it’s unfair to compare but we only have to look at the impact Gvardiol has in both halves of the pitch, to see that Rico falls seriously short in comparison.

IMO this current side (a Rodri free midfield) cannot sustain Rico at RB. That’s not Ricos fault, we just need someone who is more defensively minded/solid. I am really surprised Pep hasn’t returned to the 4 CBs solution to give us more solidity. I’d like to see Akanji at RB.
Lewis directly or indirectly created two of the big chances that Sa saved yesterday.

He also forced the bad pass that saw Totti booked and us getting a free kick on the edge of the Wolves box.

Edit: Lewis is also joint second in the team in assists (2) along side Savinho, just behind Bernardo (3).

He’s currently ranked 23rd in the league in assists.
 
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Rico was further forward per instructions, and tried to get back. Stones is meant to stay wider and have a look over his left shoulder to see if there is a runner on the far post, specifically because Lewis will often not be able to get back to cover fast enough (he can’t be in two places at once, despite the expectations of some blues on here). He can easily run to close the man in the middle of the box from that wider position, if needed—and Dias will cut any ball to the middle runner, if he can. If he can’t, Stones isn’t going to be able to do it, so Stones is there to close, not cut out, and tucking closer to the middle runner is entirely unnecessary. It means we have two CBs covering the same runner, with only one actually being able to stop a ball from getting to him.

The goal was mostly down to Stones taking a poor line and thus ceding the great position for a tap in to the Wolves player, as Lewis scrambled back from his more forward position, which Pep has told him to take up in certain possession situations.

I genuinely don’t understand that of all the players this season, Lewis is one being singled out for being not good enough. In my opinion, on average, he is in our top three best players for the season thus far.
Rico's fault end of...
 
Agreed. A few posters getting irked by some of us making criticisms of him, but I don’t think anyone making critical comments is saying he’s a “bad player”. I’m certainly not and have included positives about him too. But ultimately I do think he has been a weak link for us at times.
I am not irked by criticism, I am annoyed by blues saying “he’s not good enough for us” or saying he isn’t a good player.

The number of blues in this and the match thread having a go at him is really disappointing. And I am fine being the lone voice defending him, if needed, as I was with Rodri when he was getting the “Plodri” nonsense.
 
I have watched it back about ten times, because I thought I must have missed something based on what people in this thread are saying about Lewis, and for me it is 40% on Gvardiol for not closing Semedo down (he ran away rather than to him), 50% on Stones for going walkabout (inexplicably covering no one or even occupying a position where he can impact play), and 10% on Lewis for perhaps not running back as fast as he could.

But, if you watch it back, I think you’ll see that Lewis probably can’t do anything about it even if he does sprint back a bit faster because the crosser was given so much space to put in a great cross and Stones didn’t take a line that would allow him to have a chance at cutting the ball out before it reached a far post runner.

It’s just bizarre to see so many throwing him, of all players, under the bus.
Are you blind, he didn't get back, if he had really bust a gut yes he would off
 
IMO Rico doesn’t offer enough in the opposition half to justify the loss at RB. He doesn’t score goals and has minimal impact on chance creation. Yeah he is neat and tidy in possession but I would expect the same of nearly all youngsters who have spent most of their footballing development in our academy.

I don’t see the value in having a RB who spends most of a game moving into midfield, who then fails to impact the game defensively or offensively. Maybe it’s unfair to compare but we only have to look at the impact Gvardiol has in both halves of the pitch, to see that Rico falls seriously short in comparison.

IMO this current side (a Rodri free midfield) cannot sustain Rico at RB. That’s not Ricos fault, we just need someone who is more defensively minded/solid. I am really surprised Pep hasn’t returned to the 4 CBs solution to give us more solidity. I’d like to see Akanji at RB.
I think we will see Akanji at RB
 
There are a tone of RBs better than him at the moment, but for the sake of argument he is still waaaay more usefull to this team than Walker.
 
Rico's fault end of...
Are you blind, he didn't get back, if he had really bust a gut yes he would off
I could ask you the same.

Any student of the game or anyone that has played football at any decent level knows that Gvardiol and Stones are as much (or more, in my opinion) to blame for conceding this particular goal as Lewis.

Could Lewis have gotten back faster? Maybe. As I have said, that could be a reasonable criticism.

But even if he had, Stones was still in the better position to eliminate the danger of the far post runner (because Lewis was starting from a worse position because of how Pep asks him to play; it is always going to be that was because of the role Pep has given Lewis), and it was absolutely Stones’ job in the situation to do it. Instead, he ran a line that completely took him out of impacting play, regardless of what Lewis did or did not do. He wasn’t covering runners or an area to cut out threats to runners. And he would be the first to acknowledge that.

Does Lewis share some of the blame? Sure, I will concede that.

But is Lewis solely at fault for the goal? No, absolutely no credible football tactician would claim that.

(By the way, before anyone says “it was because Lewis was out of position to begin with”, ignoring that Pep instructs him to stay further forward, please note Gvardiol’s position relative to our CBs and the Wolves attackers.)

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