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Exactly. No machine could replace me or my staff.
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The big question is where do these people find work?
We have no real manufacturing anymore and now retail on the high street is slowly dying a death as well.
The rise in zero hours contracts and minimum wage jobs is ever increasing as it is with employers basically refusing to pay any more than they legally have to and a move to a living wage will see them just fuck staff off.
Government has a huge problem on its hands with this over the coming years.
problem? a problem is when something goes wrong, not a towering success, A low-paid over worked staff, millions unemployed chasing down wages even further, public services such as health all but gone, education ravaged by a sustained attack on staff, If we leave the EU expect the pace to quicken as what few labour laws that are left are swept away and zero hour contracts become the norm, These really are exciting times to be a follower of thatcherism
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Any business owner that can't afford to pay the minimum wage should go do something else as they are obviously shit at what they are doing.
blueish swede
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Exactly. No machine could replace me or my staff.
Probably true, Frey and Osborne at Oxford produced a list of things that are high factors in not being replaced by a machine within the next 20 years:
finger dexterity,
manual dexterity
cramped/awkward work space
originality/producing novel solutions
fine arts
social perceptiveness
negotiation
persuasion
Frey and Osborne reckon half of all jobs will be automated (over the next twenty years). Many of the jobs that will go will be relatively well paid jobs will be white collar jobs. The increased power of computers and things like “Big Data” analysis means that algorithms are becoming more reliable than people to get slighty complex tasks correct.
Any job where people sit at a desk and do semi-repetitive tasks is going to change. There will be a few people reviewing the work of an automated system, rather than people doing the work. Just like at the self-scan checkouts. Things like banking, financial markets, investments, insurance sales, accounting, crime analysis are all going to see large changes.
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All the chav key board warriors out in force and ignoring the actual thread. It pleases me no end.He probably wouldn't know what flavours Windows come in, he's not an inbred Tory twat
This rise will cost me £2320 a month plus associates increase in NI and tax payments, this in turn will slow down the opening of new shops and employing more staff. This is coming in at the same time as the business rates relief being axed, another £10,000 to find!
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This rise will cost me £2320 a month plus associates increase in NI and tax payments, this in turn will slow down the opening of new shops and employing more staff. This is coming in at the same time as the business rates relief being axed, another £10,000 to find!
Here is the issue. Government should encourage business to employ and pay well and if that means a tax break fro you so be it. The benefits to the economy of a group of well paid employee's far outweighs a small amount of tax they might receive.
Here is the issue. Government should encourage business to employ and pay well and if that means a tax break fro you so be it. The benefits to the economy of a group of well paid employee's far outweighs a small amount of tax they might receive.
we really do try to pay as much as we can afford, although they are on minimum wage they get a percentage of turnover at the end of each month but these new outgoings wont help.
The big question is where do these people find work?
We have no real manufacturing anymore and now retail on the high street is slowly dying a death as well.
The rise in zero hours contracts and minimum wage jobs is ever increasing as it is with employers basically refusing to pay any more than they legally have to and a move to a living wage will see them just fuck staff off.
Government has a huge problem on its hands with this over the coming years.
Us having no manufacturing base is a total myth. Our manufacturing value has never been higher but it is indeed thanks to automation, still a high tech skill base is required to grow it. A prime example is Leyland Trucks near me who year on year build more and more trucks yet they have probably 10,000 less staff than they did 20 years ago. I've been to their line and where 10 people once stood a robot does the same thing but at 10 times the speed. How can manufacturing justify not putting that robot there when it increases production by 10 times? Because it can do that it means the product cost can be reduced and therefore the company could compete on better terms. Without that edge, there may not even be a product to sell at all meaning no-one has a job.
If you base 'real' manufacturing on the old dirty manufacturing then yes that is dead because we have moved on from the 1970's. Steel and coal are no longer possible to produce viably in this country unless you want to get a group together to work for a pittance like the Chinese do who produce a lot of it now. The Chinese average yearly wage is around £6000 a year, is anyone willing to work full time for that nowadays? No, that equals a dead steel industry.
If you ask me, stop shopping in Primark, stop shopping in Poundland, Aldi and all the others and that is how you will revitalize the high street. These companies are directly responsible for driving down costs and therefore the big companies that once employed hundreds of thousands have now been replaced by companies that adapted to employ a third as many. When you reduce costs, the customer always wins and unfortunately that too comes at a cost to a workforce. Companies like Aldi may pay more and look like 'proper' companies but they run at a third or less the staffing levels of other retailers so can afford to. Had they suddenly had to pay twice as many people, you can bet their wages would come crashing down to reflect the others.
Shopping attitudes have changed and the market is now a race to the bottom where the only winner will be the one with the lowest costs which is usually the one with the least amount of people. People want cheap stuff and the only way to make it cheaper is to reduce how many people it takes to get it to the customer or to pay them the least amount possible.
It sounds awful but the best aspect of human nature must come into play in all of this unfortunately, you have to either adapt or die.
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blueinsa
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Us having no manufacturing base is a total myth. Our manufacturing value has never been higher but it is indeed thanks to automation, still a high tech skill base is required to grow it. A prime example is Leyland Trucks near me who year on year build more and more trucks yet they have probably 10,000 less staff than they did 20 years ago. I've been to their line and where 10 people once stood a robot does the same thing but at 10 times the speed. How can manufacturing justify not putting that robot there when it increases production by 10 times? Because it can do that it means the product cost can be reduced and therefore the company could compete on better terms. Without that edge, there may not even be a product to sell at all meaning no-one has a job.
If you base 'real' manufacturing on the old dirty manufacturing then yes that is dead because we have moved on from the 1970's. Steel and coal are no longer possible to produce viably in this country unless you want to get a group together to work for a pittance like the Chinese do who produce a lot of it now. The Chinese average yearly wage is around £6000 a year, is anyone willing to work full time for that nowadays? No, that equals a dead steel industry.
If you ask me, stop shopping in Primark, stop shopping in Poundland, Aldi and all the others and that is how you will revitalize the high street. These companies are directly responsible for driving down costs and therefore the big companies that once employed hundreds of thousands have now been replaced by companies that adapted to employ a third as many. When you reduce costs, the customer always wins and unfortunately that too comes at a cost to a workforce. Companies like Aldi may pay more and look like 'proper' companies but they run at a third or less the staffing levels of other retailers so can afford to. Had they suddenly had to pay twice as many people, you can bet their wages would come crashing down to reflect the others.
Shopping attitudes have changed and the market is now a race to the bottom where the only winner will be the one with the lowest costs which is usually the one with the least amount of people. People want cheap stuff and the only way to make it cheaper is to reduce how many people it takes to get it to the customer or to pay them the least amount possible.
It sounds awful but the best aspect of human nature must come into play in all of this unfortunately, you have to either adapt or die.
Rather than use a robot to increase production and profitability to compete, the makers of trucks will rather price fix so that there is a market share for them all. Thats why you see DAF, Merc, Volvo, Scania etc etc on the roads because if one did truly want to corner the market they would. They use robots to just maximise profitability its that simple and it has nothing to do with staying in business.
As for the rest of your post, i dont disagree but what do all these people do for work going forwards?
Adapt to what?
Crazy i know but a population employed, on good money want to spend it and boost the economy. Dont these firms ever think thats the way to go?