A call for Patience and realism

[avoidconfusion]

Also keep in mind that we never lost at home in Europe under Mancini and we got rid of him because his record in Europe wasn't good enough.

That's a bit harsh!
We needed a de Jong last night & Mancini sold him.
Not many teams can compete with Bayern when they play like that.

I thought that's why we spent/wasted €40m on Fernandinho? Also if we needed a tackler, why did Pellegrini let Barry go out on loan? Why does he wait 70 minutes and until we are 0:3 down before he makes a change to the midfield?

The guy is even more clueless than Mancini was imho<br /><br />-- Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:21 pm --<br /><br />

Also keep in mind that we never lost at home in Europe under Mancini and we got rid of him because his record in Europe wasn't good enough.

That's a bit harsh!
We needed a de Jong last night & Mancini sold him.
Not many teams can compete with Bayern when they play like that.

I thought that's why we spent/wasted €40m on Fernandinho? Also if we needed a tackler, why did Pellegrini let Barry go out on loan? Why does he wait 70 minutes and until we are 0:3 down before he makes a change to the midfield?

The guy is even more clueless than Mancini was imho

 

[The_Mo]

I don't think it is the manager that is the problem. This City turned up far too many times over the last couple of seasons. I don't know who or what is the problem but i hope it is identified and resolved quickly because it has been apparent for what seems like an eternity. I really cannot get my head around the fact we play world class football in one match and then get outplayed by bloody Stoke and Hull city in the next. WTF!

 

[Lucky Toma]

Patience is a double-edged sword.

We've gone incremetally backwards in the past two years so it could be argued that patience merely facilitates further regression.

 

[Anonymous]

Patience is a double-edged sword.

We've gone incremetally backwards in the past two years so it could be argued that patience merely facilitates further regression.

I posted this before ... but do you really think we've gone backwards ? Surely it's more a case of us having a honeymoon period between August/November 2011 - but other than that this team has played at the same consistently inconsistent level.

 

[Joycee Banercheck]

Fuck me - People need to get over it - He has gone and we have a better manager in place. If you can't deal with it - There is a team in Turkey after new fans.

We got dicked by a far superior team, mistakes were made as did Mancini - So we never lost in a European game at home, well we never fucking looked like beating Madrid, Dortmund, Ajax or Napoli at home too.

Perspective people - we will get through this group and then bring em on

Are villa and Cardiff far superior teams ? I need those performances explaining

I don't think a relegated Wigan were superior either.

 

[The Man With The Stick]

We all saw how good Bayern were and i'm pretty sure no one on here would mind playing that way. Obviously we need to learn and improve but we're never goin to do that tootling around in 1980's 442 land.

The change needs to happen now... not the manager, just the style. Would have thought Pellis love of speed and Aggression would be well suited to a more modern way of playing.

 

[Lucky Toma]

-- Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:39 am --

Patience is a double-edged sword.

We've gone incremetally backwards in the past two years so it could be argued that patience merely facilitates further regression.

I posted this before ... but do you really think we've gone backwards ? Surely it's more a case of us having a honeymoon period between August/November 2011 - but other than that this team has played at the same consistently inconsistent level.

That arguement certainly has merit and when you look at the performances and results from that timescale it makes it almost incontestable.

I just wish people would wake up and realise that we're not that team (Aug - Nov) - we are a team capable of playing like that team on occasion and usually at home to inferior opposition.

Players in certain positions needed to be brought in over the summer and I liked who we bought and why we bought them.

Changes needed to be made and I liked the changes Pellegrini has made.

But the concerns outweigh the optimism at this point and though of course any new manager needs ample time and trust it is increasingly looking like we're not heading in a new direction after all but rather walking further down the wrong path only in a different pair of shoes.

 

[manimanc]

I've said in previous posts and threads that the champs league does nothing for me,i know the owners want to do well in europe and progress further every year but i'm just not bothered about being in it..
I've gone nearly 20 years without us being in it and i could quite happily go another 20 years without it..
For me the bread and butter for me as a fan is do well in your league and your cups,i couldn't care less if we get to the final or don't get out of the group stages,i'll watch us in the champs league but it won't bother me one iota what the result is..
I know it probably sounds shite but it does nothing for me this chimps league malarky,if there is any cup i want on the mantelpiece it's the league cup....
I want silverware not a cheque for getting into the knockout stages..

 

[Anonymous]

-- Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:39 am --

I posted this before ... but do you really think we've gone backwards ? Surely it's more a case of us having a honeymoon period between August/November 2011 - but other than that this team has played at the same consistently inconsistent level.

That arguement certainly has merit and when you look at the performances and results from that timescale it makes it almost incontestable.

I just wish people would wake up and realise that we're not that team (Aug - Nov) - we are a team capable of playing like that team on occasion and usually at home to inferior opposition.

Players in certain positions needed to be brought in over the summer and I liked who we bought and why we bought them.

Changes needed to be made and I liked the changes Pellegrini has made.

But the concerns outweigh the optimism at this point and though of course any new manager needs ample time and trust it is increasingly looking like we're not heading in a new direction after all but rather walking further down the wrong path only in a different pair of shoes.

It's an interesting take ... I like the last line ... nice analogy. Not sure I wholly agree because right now I don't know what path we're walking down. In many respects it was much easier for Mancini to have an immediate obvious impact when he came in, because the starting point was low in terms of where Hughes left the team. It's different with Pellegrini ... he has to take an inconsistent team of top players who've done relatively well and fashion a consistent team who can take another step up. It isn't something which I'd expect to see immediately ... there are certainly very positive signs in certain areas, but then there are signs in others that we're standing still or worse still going backwards.

For me right now it's about having the perspective to take a step back and look at the wider aims of the club. Fundamentally there's a feeling that the appointment of Txiki/Ferran/Pellegrini is about playing a brand of football which is less pragmatic than that which Mancini played. The big question for me is to what extent do we want to go down that path. Are Bayern/Barca the blueprint? Pellegrini believes his teams must dominate possession, but they are generally built around a playing style where positions are clearly defined, which for me is quite different to the Bayern/Barca current Blueprint in which fluidity of movement between the midfield and forwards is much more prevalent.

Another consideration is do we have the players technically good enough to do well against the top European teams. I guess it could be argued both ways ... for me I think what we lack in technique we make up for in physical power and strength ... however that has the potential to be cruelly exposed when you come up against the best in the world like we did last night.

Things are mighty unpredictable right now because of the changes we're going through and so I'd be loathed to make any sweeping negative judgments. I've seen plenty of football teams struggle for weeks/months, then seemingly flick a switch and never look back. Barca during Rijkaard/Txiki/Laporta's inaugural season spring to mind.

 

[Lucky Toma]

-- Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:39 am --

That arguement certainly has merit and when you look at the performances and results from that timescale it makes it almost incontestable.

I just wish people would wake up and realise that we're not that team (Aug - Nov) - we are a team capable of playing like that team on occasion and usually at home to inferior opposition.

Players in certain positions needed to be brought in over the summer and I liked who we bought and why we bought them.

Changes needed to be made and I liked the changes Pellegrini has made.

But the concerns outweigh the optimism at this point and though of course any new manager needs ample time and trust it is increasingly looking like we're not heading in a new direction after all but rather walking further down the wrong path only in a different pair of shoes.

It's an interesting take ... I like the last line ... nice analogy. Not sure I wholly agree because right now I don't know what path we're walking down. In many respects it was much easier for Mancini to have an immediate obvious impact when he came in, because the starting point was low in terms of where Hughes left the team. It's different with Pellegrini ... he has to take an inconsistent team of top players who've done relatively well and fashion a consistent team who can take another step up. It isn't something which I'd expect to see immediately ... there are certainly very positive signs in certain areas, but then there are signs in others that we're standing still or worse still going backwards.

For me right now it's about having the perspective to take a step back and look at the wider aims of the club. Fundamentally there's a feeling that the appointment of Txiki/Ferran/Pellegrini is about playing a brand of football which is less pragmatic than that which Mancini played. The big question for me is to what extent do we want to go down that path. Are Bayern/Barca the blueprint? Pellegrini believes his teams must dominate possession, but they are generally built around a playing style where positions are clearly defined, which for me is quite different to the Bayern/Barca current Blueprint in which fluidity of movement between the midfield and forwards is much more prevalent.

Another consideration is do we have the players technically good enough to do well against the top European teams. I guess it could be argued both ways ... for me I think what we lack in technique we make up for in physical power and strength ... however that has the potential to be cruelly exposed when you come up against the best in the world like we did last night.

Things are mighty unpredictable right now because of the changes we're going through and so I'd be loathed to make any sweeping negative judgments. I've seen plenty of football teams struggle for weeks/months, then seemingly flick a switch and never look back. Barca during Rijkaard/Txiki/Laporta's inaugural season spring to mind.

Nailed it.

 

[AntiUnited]

Munich are the best team in Europe no team will get close to them this year or for the foreseeable future. we are not out of the group stages it was one fukin loss move on. some of the bitching and crying is pretty pathetic.

 

[The Man With The Stick]

Munich are the best team in Europe no team will get close to them this year or for the foreseeable future. we are not out of the group stages it was one fukin loss move on. some of the bitching and crying is pretty pathetic.

Chelsea drew with them before penalties the other week

 

[AntiUnited]

Munich are the best team in Europe no team will get close to them this year or for the foreseeable future. we are not out of the group stages it was one fukin loss move on. some of the bitching and crying is pretty pathetic.

Chelsea drew with them before penalties the other week

who fuking cares and they parked the buss aswell

 

[BlueRockape]

Munich are the best team in Europe no team will get close to them this year or for the foreseeable future. we are not out of the group stages it was one fukin loss move on. some of the bitching and crying is pretty pathetic.

That gives me hope for the future so I will stop bitching and bury my head in the shite we are serving up as football

 

[avoidconfusion]

Munich are the best team in Europe no team will get close to them this year or for the foreseeable future. we are not out of the group stages it was one fukin loss move on. some of the bitching and crying is pretty pathetic.

Mancini beat them 2:0 at home last year.

 

[kenzie115]

Munich are the best team in Europe no team will get close to them this year or for the foreseeable future. we are not out of the group stages it was one fukin loss move on. some of the bitching and crying is pretty pathetic.

Mancini beat them 2:0 at home last year.

It was the year before and it was Munich's reserves and they had zip to play for. Ridiculous comment.

 

[Бравый Дератизатор]

We were pathetic yesterday. The players had lost the game before it began

 

[Jimfv1]

-- Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:39 am --

It's an interesting take ... I like the last line ... nice analogy. Not sure I wholly agree because right now I don't know what path we're walking down. In many respects it was much easier for Mancini to have an immediate obvious impact when he came in, because the starting point was low in terms of where Hughes left the team. It's different with Pellegrini ... he has to take an inconsistent team of top players who've done relatively well and fashion a consistent team who can take another step up. It isn't something which I'd expect to see immediately ... there are certainly very positive signs in certain areas, but then there are signs in others that we're standing still or worse still going backwards.

For me right now it's about having the perspective to take a step back and look at the wider aims of the club. Fundamentally there's a feeling that the appointment of Txiki/Ferran/Pellegrini is about playing a brand of football which is less pragmatic than that which Mancini played. The big question for me is to what extent do we want to go down that path. Are Bayern/Barca the blueprint? Pellegrini believes his teams must dominate possession, but they are generally built around a playing style where positions are clearly defined, which for me is quite different to the Bayern/Barca current Blueprint in which fluidity of movement between the midfield and forwards is much more prevalent.

Another consideration is do we have the players technically good enough to do well against the top European teams. I guess it could be argued both ways ... for me I think what we lack in technique we make up for in physical power and strength ... however that has the potential to be cruelly exposed when you come up against the best in the world like we did last night.

Things are mighty unpredictable right now because of the changes we're going through and so I'd be loathed to make any sweeping negative judgments. I've seen plenty of football teams struggle for weeks/months, then seemingly flick a switch and never look back. Barca during Rijkaard/Txiki/Laporta's inaugural season spring to mind.

Nailed it.

Spot on, whoever is dictating the style we play whether it is Pellegrini and his coaches or the Spanish duo running the club, we have to adopt the Dortmun/Bayern gameplan. Bayern looked much better to me than Barca, both have problems scoring goals easily, but Barca have Messi, and Bayern have Ribery and Robben, so when you have some of the best players in the world at their jobs then the goals will come. Sometimes these clubs totally overrun the opposition and sometimes they may dominate against great teams but still draw or even lose the game. After all Bayern thrashed Barca last year too !

 

[Blue Til Death]

Munich are the best team in Europe no team will get close to them this year or for the foreseeable future. we are not out of the group stages it was one fukin loss move on. some of the bitching and crying is pretty pathetic.

Chelsea drew with them before penalties the other week

who fuking cares and they parked the buss aswell

Its not just one loss against the best team in Europe, we got beat against Cardiff, Villa, woeful against Stoke and not great against Hull.. Its not moaning its concern as far as I am concerned, we should be giving a good account of ourselves and stepping up in every game, we are not doing that at all, rags game apart... Its early days in the PL and CL but if we continue to play with zero passion we will win dick this season and that's a fact!!

 

[mscenterh750]

I'm sorry but at this present moment in time, I find it hard to believe that Pellegrini is a better manager than Mancini. The realism is that we are still shit in europe and given the talent in the squad, it's totally unacceptable. Mancini's record wasn't brilliant but I saw nothing last night to suggest, Pellegrini will fare better. Domestically Mancini was and still is head and shoulders above Pellegrini.