A thread about protesters

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Tonight Emmeline Pankhurst, Ghandi , MLK and even Jesus would be at risk of arrest for their protesting activities..... hardly makes you proud does it?

I reckon Jesus might have preferred arrest to crucifixion tbh.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I reckon Jesus might have preferred arrest to crucifixion tbh.

One followed the other - he had no say in the outcome - it was ordained thus as they say

 

[Blue Mist]

We don’t have a national police force

And Rangers are in a different country

 

[Blue Mist]

Tonight Emmeline Pankhurst, Ghandi , MLK and even Jesus would be at risk of arrest for their protesting activities..... hardly makes you proud does it?

Pankhurst was not the wonderful woman history now paints her. Many say she harmed the cause far more than she helped it.
MLK was what a protestor should be. Brilliant man, brilliant leader and non violent in everything he did.

 

[bluethrunthru]

We don’t have a national police force

and why that is tolerated I have no idea. There is the PSNI and Police Scotland. Many Police forces in England share resources like HR, vehicle maintenance and procurement and CSI. Why we allow all the other areas of duplication - especially 40 odd Police and Crime Commissioners to exist - is beyond me.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Pankhurst was not the wonderful woman history now paints her. Many say she harmed the cause far more than she helped it.
MLK was what a protestor should be. Brilliant man, brilliant leader and non violent in everything he did.

All of them effected change through protest - massive, important change - I forgot to add Rosa Parks into that list too - there are many others who had moulded a world which gave us all privileges that would now be denied us as their campaigns would never have got off the ground.

 

[Phil1]

The problem with protests is that for every person there genuinely championing the cause, there's another who is there because its a chance to get involved in a bit of unrest and incite trouble.
Sadly, when they're all mixed in together it becomes a mishmash of both and there no way of separating the two.
This just leads to the actual problem being ptotested getting lost in the noise and a loss off sympathy from the general public, regardless of the seriousness of the original complaint.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

In perhaps a BM first I can reveal I have changed my mind about this bill and I was wrong to defend it. I've had a closer look and thought it was a sort of emergency legislation, but I now see no reason it will be undone anytime soon and there are as many of you have posted some real removal of basic rights (potentially). Fucking Theresa May of all people changed my mind - very good speech.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The problem with protests is that for every person there genuinely championing the cause, there's another who is there because its a chance to get involved in a bit of unrest and incite trouble.
Sadly, when they're all mixed in together it becomes a mishmash of both and there no way of separating the two.
This just leads to the actual problem being ptotested getting lost in the noise and a loss off sympathy from the general public, regardless of the seriousness of the original complaint.

yeah you are right lets not bother. Why are women allowed to vote? Why are there Trades Unions? Why are there equality laws and measures that were passed - just red tape that gets in the way - get rid of it all that way we can become a province of the PRC and have done with it

 

[Blue Mist]

In perhaps a BM first I can reveal I have changed my mind about this bill and I was wrong to defend it. I've had a closer look and thought it was a sort of emergency legislation, but I now see no reason it will be undone anytime soon and there are as many of you have posted some real removal of basic rights (potentially). Fucking Theresa May of all people changed my mind - very good speech.

Wimp

 

[Phil1]

yeah you are right lets not bother. Why are women allowed to vote? Why are there Trades Unions? Why are there equality laws and measures that were passed - just red tape that gets in the way - get rid of it all that way we can become a province of the PRC and have done with it

I didn't say don't bother, it's vitally important that people Should make a stand when they feel they are being discriminated against whatever the subject.
I was merely pointing out the problem with many recent protests where they have been hijacked by people with an ulterior motive.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Wimp

Mods, mods - tell him! Don't worry musty, I'm maintaining my annoying stance in most other political threads on here. Not gone full libtard on you yet ;-)

 

[Rascal]

The problem with protests is that for every person there genuinely championing the cause, there's another who is there because its a chance to get involved in a bit of unrest and incite trouble.

The only evidence of this is from the media, who push their own or the Governments narrative.

Its Trumpian, blaming subversive's. You are claiming 50% of any protest march is made of up of people intent on violence. Have you ever been on a protest march?

I am sure if they were around when Peterloo happened ANTIFA, BLM and lefties in general would be blamed.

 

[BigOscar]

The problem with protests is that for every person there genuinely championing the cause, there's another who is there because its a chance to get involved in a bit of unrest and incite trouble.
Sadly, when they're all mixed in together it becomes a mishmash of both and there no way of separating the two.
This just leads to the actual problem being ptotested getting lost in the noise and a loss off sympathy from the general public, regardless of the seriousness of the original complaint.

That's essentially what the government/establishment want though, they love that trouble makers turn up as it gives them all the ammunition they need to do whatever they want, while completely destroying all purpose to the protest. If trouble makers don't turn up, they are happy to incite the protesters in an attempt to get it to kick off, as a peaceful protest is a nightmare for them, they need a reason to break it up.

We're not at the US levels, with undercover police officers kicking off in the crowds and convenient piles of bricks turning up at expected protest spots, but we've already had enough small scuffles that the government has managed to ram through legislation to unilaterally stop any protest it doesn't like. It's scary shit tbh, massively open to abuse, in the hands of a government who've already shown how shady they are, repeatedly

 

[Phil1]

The only evidence of this is from the media, who push their own or the Governments narrative.

Its Trumpian, blaming subversive's. You are claiming 50% of any protest march is made of up of people intent on violence. Have you ever been on a protest march?

I am sure if they were around when Peterloo happened ANTIFA, BLM and lefties in general would be blamed.

Its a fair point and I was being a bit too flippant on a very important subject. No, I've never protested, I find myself extremely fortunate to never have had reason to.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The only evidence of this is from the media, who push their own or the Governments narrative.

Its Trumpian, blaming subversive's. You are claiming 50% of any protest march is made of up of people intent on violence. Have you ever been on a protest march?

I am sure if they were around when Peterloo happened ANTIFA, BLM and lefties in general would be blamed.

I do think there is something different going on with large protests in the capital now. Both the segment (I won't claim any % as I don't know) of anti-establishment that seem willing to attach themselves to any convenient passing cause, and an opposing rw element that soon turn up looking for trouble. I'm not sure when this started, nothing like this with stop the war, even most of the Brexit stuff was mostly civilised albeit bitterly divided.

 

[inchy14]

In the context of the pandemic these things are fine as temporary measures. It's that they are rescinded afterwards that matters.

And what some of us were against this time last year but all shot down...

 

[bluethrunthru]

Just think - these laws would have prevented the success of Solidarity and Germany would still be united.......and what sort of regimes were they? And here we are accepting no protesting because it may offend some snowflakes.....

 

[Rascal]

Its a fair point and I was being a bit too flippant on a very important subject. No, I've never protested, I find myself extremely fortunate to never have had reason to.

I have been on marches, my first was a CND march from Stockport to Town, aged about12, i went on my own.

It is empowering and it is important for those who feel they do not have a voice to able to protest. Elections remember don't come around that often.

This is a sledgehammer bill aimed at cracking a nut and all new Law has unintended consequence. What if the local council decided to compulsory purchase your street in order to knock it down to build a new Man U megastore?

Would you just accept it, meekly shrug your shoulders and go OK then?

 

[Rascal]

I do think there is something different going on with large protests in the capital now. Both the segment (I won't claim any % as I don't know) of anti-establishment that seem willing to attach themselves to any convenient passing cause, and an opposing rw element that soon turn up looking for trouble. I'm not sure when this started, nothing like this with stop the war, even most of the Brexit stuff was mostly civilised albeit bitterly divided.

That may well be the case that there is an element of trouble causers.

But

Would you ban all City fans from going the match because 10 of them had a ruck outside Mary Ds