A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps.

[whp.blue]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

It is time the airline industry tightened up on crew
There have been too many cases of Pilots suffering from mental health issues and drink problems but the airlines seem very poor at detecting them

We may have reached the stage where we have too many flights and not enough high quality pilots to operate them

Can you name me ten cases?

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Not sure how to post it but that 8 and this one latest one makes 9 and that is only going back to 1976

and that is without looking for the cases of physco pilots and drunks

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

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I think he was suicidal and when he was left on his own he took it,it probably wasn't his plan but more on impulse

Then the fucking sick prick should have declared his thoughts and thinking and removed himself from active duty.

Depression doesn't work like that,suicidal is by definition not thinking rationally
I'm not making excuses for him,just trying to understand what happened

I just don't get anyone, however depressed thinking it was the right thing to do. He could have killed himself in lots of ways that wouldn't have affected anyone else.

Selfish, selfish c**t

 

[west didsblue]

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I'm no expert on depression but if someone was suffering so badly from depression that they wouldn't consider the consequences of this particular action, surely they would have displayed noticeably erratic behaviour beforehand that should have been picked up. Can someone with more knowledge of depression give their view?

 

[BlueBearBoots]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

For the benefit of the resident WUM. The investigation is carried out in strict isolation of both the manufacturer [Airbus] and the airline [Germanwings]. They have no say in what the back box says or the final report. Only a few senior investigators will listen to the recordings and analyse data. And they are not stakeholders.

I know this for no other reason than I need to know the truth so I read and listen to trusted media.

I, like worseleyweb, am a basket case when flying. I despise it. It consumes me from about a week before the flight and it's all I think about. I cannot concentrate on anything else and it ruins a holiday knowing I have to do it all again to get home. I paid for a flight from Munich last year, for the CL, and rented a car and drove home. I don't think airlines and pilots appreciate that a good proportion of its customers are so uncomfortable. Well my wife has actually said tonight that this is it for her, she isn't flying again. It's not just the pilots. Anyone on the ground could potentially bring down a plane. If you cannot trust the people who are meant to look after you who can you trust?

You can't thnk like that we all face dangers every day of our lives - people die in car crashes, being blown up,from disease, it's just a lottery as to when you are going to go


Ps I was like you about flying then I tried hypnotism never looked back it worked for me. But I can understand how this situation has tipped the balance

 

[Ducado]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

It is time the airline industry tightened up on crew
There have been too many cases of Pilots suffering from mental health issues and drink problems but the airlines seem very poor at detecting them

We may have reached the stage where we have too many flights and not enough high quality pilots to operate them

Can you name me ten cases?

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Not sure how to post it but that 8 and this one latest one makes 9 and that is only going back to 1976

and that is without looking for the cases of physco pilots and drunks

It's not really quantitative evidence that this is an endemic problem is it, by your reasoning we might as well start profiling applicants for a driving licence on the grounds that some people have killed people deliberately whilst driving a car, incidentally far more people have been killed (even as a statistical percentage) driving and as a result of driving than in aviation accidents.

Of course after every disaster like this lessons need to be learned, and the first one is being enacted right now (having a lone person in the cockpit) but a period of quiet reflection is needed rather than baying for knee jerk reactions to a problem that only occurs very rarely

 

[FantasyIreland]

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I think he was suicidal and when he was left on his own he took it,it probably wasn't his plan but more on impulse

Then the fucking sick prick should have declared his thoughts and thinking and removed himself from active duty.

Depression doesn't work like that,suicidal is by definition not thinking rationally
I'm not making excuses for him,just trying to understand what happened

Even amongst your darkest times and thoughts there are moments of clarity,his alleged depression was a chronic condition,he would have had many opportunity to act very differently imo.

No excuses,he's the biggest cvnt imaginable.

 

[kaz7]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

I'm no expert on depression but if someone was suffering so badly from depression that they wouldn't consider the consequences of this particular action, surely they would have displayed noticeably erratic behaviour beforehand that should have been picked up. Can someone with more knowledge of depression give their view?

I have suffered on and off for years,it's easy to hide from people then you go to pieces on your own.Remember Gary Speed?,i watched him on Football Focus that day and he looked and acted normally
Thats why i think this pilot took the oppurtunity on impulse and not planned to do it that way.Just my opinion obviously

 

[foetus]

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I, like worseleyweb, am a basket case when flying. I despise it. It consumes me from about a week before the flight and it's all I think about. I cannot concentrate on anything else and it ruins a holiday knowing I have to do it all again to get home. I paid for a flight from Munich last year, for the CL, and rented a car and drove home. I don't think airlines and pilots appreciate that a good proportion of its customers are so uncomfortable. Well my wife has actually said tonight that this is it for her, she isn't flying again. It's not just the pilots. Anyone on the ground could potentially bring down a plane. If you cannot trust the people who are meant to look after you who can you trust?

I flew from Aus to Europe a few hours after the plane got shot down over Ukraine. I was shitting it before the flight and during take off. Had to do over 20 take-offs/landings that whole trip. Got less nervous as the trip went on but events like these don't help the confidence. Unfortunately, since I live in Sydney I have to get a flight if I want to go on any holiday that isn't in NSW :/

 

[marco]

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I'm no expert on depression but if someone was suffering so badly from depression that they wouldn't consider the consequences of this particular action, surely they would have displayed noticeably erratic behaviour beforehand that should have been picked up. Can someone with more knowledge of depression give their view?

I have suffered on and off for years,it's easy to hide from people then you go to pieces on your own.Remember Gary Speed?,i watched him on Football Focus that day and he looked and acted normally
Thats why i think this pilot took the oppurtunity on impulse and not planned to do it that way.Just my opinion obviously

I agree with the impulse theory however he may have been flying this route for some time and its crossed his mind and he's never been able to do anything with the pilot being present then the opportunity came and he took it, he may well have had no idea on the day that this was his day so to speak

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

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The easyjet news of two people in the cockpit is reassuring to me. I almost always fly easyjet and don't particularly like it when I see the pilot or co pilot out of the cabin and chatting to one to the stewards/stewardess.

An aviation expert said that on short haul flights, pilots spend too much time out of the cockpit as they have got so used to the plane flying itself. I think he was questioning on a two hour flight, could you not hold a piss in for a bit longer?

Apparently El Al planes have two doors for the pilots, one that can't be opened and one that leads to their own Toilet.

Seems to make sense to me.

 

[west didsblue]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

It is time the airline industry tightened up on crew
There have been too many cases of Pilots suffering from mental health issues and drink problems but the airlines seem very poor at detecting them

We may have reached the stage where we have too many flights and not enough high quality pilots to operate them

Can you name me ten cases?

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Not sure how to post it but that 8 and this one latest one makes 9 and that is only going back to 1976

and that is without looking for the cases of physco pilots and drunks

I reckon there must have been between half a billion and a billion commercial flights in the world over the last 40 years and if there have been 8 or 9 incidents like this in that period, that's still only 1 in every 50 to 100 million flights.

 

[whp.blue]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

Can you name me ten cases?

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Not sure how to post it but that 8 and this one latest one makes 9 and that is only going back to 1976

and that is without looking for the cases of physco pilots and drunks

It's not really quantitative evidence that this is an endemic problem is it, by your reasoning we might as well start profiling applicants for a driving licence on the grounds that some people have killed people deliberately whilst driving a car, incidentally far more people have been killed (even as a statistical percentage) driving and as a result of driving than in aviation accidents.

Of course after every disaster like this lessons need to be learned, and the first one is being enacted right now (having a lone person in the cockpit) but a period of quiet reflection is needed rather than baying for knee jerk reactions to a problem that only occurs very rarely

It seems quite compelling that for some reason this pilot was allowed to fly again after suffering serious mental and stress related issues and I am just saying that a shortage of personnel needs to be seen as perhaps a contributory factor. there is the problem pilots who have turned up for flights not fit to drive let alone fly. and how many times have they actually flown before they were caught. I am sure pilots flying from third world countries are highly unlikely to be caught before they board a plane drunk.

Crew problems are more widespread than anyone within the Industry would care to admit IMHO of course

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

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I, like worseleyweb, am a basket case when flying. I despise it. It consumes me from about a week before the flight and it's all I think about. I cannot concentrate on anything else and it ruins a holiday knowing I have to do it all again to get home. I paid for a flight from Munich last year, for the CL, and rented a car and drove home. I don't think airlines and pilots appreciate that a good proportion of its customers are so uncomfortable. Well my wife has actually said tonight that this is it for her, she isn't flying again. It's not just the pilots. Anyone on the ground could potentially bring down a plane. If you cannot trust the people who are meant to look after you who can you trust?

I flew from Aus to Europe a few hours after the plane got shot down over Ukraine. I was shitting it before the flight and during take off. Had to do over 20 take-offs/landings that whole trip. Got less nervous as the trip went on but events like these don't help the confidence. Unfortunately, since I live in Sydney I have to get a flight if I want to go on any holiday that isn't in NSW :/

I take well over 100 flights a year and I have seen lots of my staff suffer with nerves, but they are just that. If you were to consider rationally how relatively safe flying is you wouldn't worry about doing it

 

[manchester blue]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

The easyjet news of two people in the cockpit is reassuring to me. I almost always fly easyjet and don't particularly like it when I see the pilot or co pilot out of the cabin and chatting to one to the stewards/stewardess.

An aviation expert said that on short haul flights, pilots spend too much time out of the cockpit as they have got so used to the plane flying itself. I think he was questioning on a two hour flight, could you not hold a piss in for a bit longer?

Apparently El Al planes have two doors for the pilots, one that can't be opened and one that leads to their own Toilet.

Seems to make sense to me.

You listened to R5L as well. They have had some very good commentators on over the last few days.

 

[dronefromsector7g]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

I'm no expert on depression but if someone was suffering so badly from depression that they wouldn't consider the consequences of this particular action, surely they would have displayed noticeably erratic behaviour beforehand that should have been picked up. Can someone with more knowledge of depression give their view?

Depression isn't as black and white as that. In fact it's a million shades of grey. In my darkest hour I would never have made a choice to take 150 people's lives as a byproduct of me taking mine, but this guy was obviously in a much worse place. This doesn't mean he was showing any signs beforehand.

 

[foetus]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

I, like worseleyweb, am a basket case when flying. I despise it. It consumes me from about a week before the flight and it's all I think about. I cannot concentrate on anything else and it ruins a holiday knowing I have to do it all again to get home. I paid for a flight from Munich last year, for the CL, and rented a car and drove home. I don't think airlines and pilots appreciate that a good proportion of its customers are so uncomfortable. Well my wife has actually said tonight that this is it for her, she isn't flying again. It's not just the pilots. Anyone on the ground could potentially bring down a plane. If you cannot trust the people who are meant to look after you who can you trust?

I flew from Aus to Europe a few hours after the plane got shot down over Ukraine. I was shitting it before the flight and during take off. Had to do over 20 take-offs/landings that whole trip. Got less nervous as the trip went on but events like these don't help the confidence. Unfortunately, since I live in Sydney I have to get a flight if I want to go on any holiday that isn't in NSW :/

I take well over 100 flights a year and I have seen lots of my staff suffer with nerves, but they are just that. If you were to consider rationally how relatively safe flying is you wouldn't worry about doing it

I wouldn't call myself a nervous flyer as such, more 'slightly anxious'. I've been on planes lots of times....most nervous I've been is that flight after the Ukraine incident.

In saying that, you just have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you're a goner. The panic you'd feel in airplane disaster is one of the worst things I can possibly think of. So helpless and it goes on for minutes.

 

[whp.blue]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

Can you name me ten cases?

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Not sure how to post it but that 8 and this one latest one makes 9 and that is only going back to 1976

and that is without looking for the cases of physco pilots and drunks

I reckon there must have been between half a billion and a billion commercial flights in the world over the last 40 years and if there have been 8 or 9 incidents like this in that period, that's still only 1 in every 50 to 100 million flights.

Very reassuring stats for all the families and the victims on them flights

I never claimed this was a definitive list BTW

 

[SWP's back]

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http://pilots-airmen.findthedata.com/l/986395/Andreas-Guenter-Lubitz

some real sick bastards posting comments on there

they should be hunted down and prosecuted

Sick yes. But prosecute them? The worlds gone mad.

 

[west didsblue]

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Not sure how to post it but that 8 and this one latest one makes 9 and that is only going back to 1976

and that is without looking for the cases of physco pilots and drunks

I reckon there must have been between half a billion and a billion commercial flights in the world over the last 40 years and if there have been 8 or 9 incidents like this in that period, that's still only 1 in every 50 to 100 million flights.

Very reassuring stats for all the families and the victims on them flights

I never claimed this was a definitive list BTW

Probably not, but they might reassure someone who was a bit nervous that this may happen on their next flight.

 

[TCIB]

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I'm no expert on depression but if someone was suffering so badly from depression that they wouldn't consider the consequences of this particular action, surely they would have displayed noticeably erratic behaviour beforehand that should have been picked up. Can someone with more knowledge of depression give their view?

You find ways of hiding it, that smile you see on some faces is so thin you can almost see through it.