A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps.

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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Announced this morning that the Co pilots training had to be interrupted whilst he received treatment for Depression! .....and they still gave him a licence to fly one of these?

Millions of people suffer from depression, are you suggesting that they are not allowed to hold down any responsible job, even when they are over it? It's attitudes like this that further stigmatises mental illness and prevents people getting help, we do not know what made him do what he did
 
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Ducado said:
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Announced this morning that the Co pilots training had to be interrupted whilst he received treatment for Depression! .....and they still gave him a licence to fly one of these?

Millions of people suffer from depression, are you suggesting that they are not allowed to hold down any responsible job, even when they are over it? It's attitudes like this that further stigmatises mental illness and prevents people getting help, we do not know what made him do what he did
1 in 3 people will suffer from depression atleast once in their life.

I think he wants to just cast aside a third of the population due to his unthinking ignorance.
 
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Ducado said:
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Announced this morning that the Co pilots training had to be interrupted whilst he received treatment for Depression! .....and they still gave him a licence to fly one of these?

Millions of people suffer from depression, are you suggesting that they are not allowed to hold down any responsible job, even when they are over it? It's attitudes like this that further stigmatises mental illness and prevents people getting help, we do not know what made him do what he did

It's perfectly reasonable expectation that you should be fit and healthy physically and mentally to hold an aviation licence. You can't even get one if you're colour blind or at least you couldn't. If you had a choice of two planes knowing both pilots on one were depressed and the two on another were not which would you choose?
 
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manchester blue said:
Ducado said:
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Announced this morning that the Co pilots training had to be interrupted whilst he received treatment for Depression! .....and they still gave him a licence to fly one of these?

Millions of people suffer from depression, are you suggesting that they are not allowed to hold down any responsible job, even when they are over it? It's attitudes like this that further stigmatises mental illness and prevents people getting help, we do not know what made him do what he did

It's perfectly reasonable expectation that you should be fit and healthy physically and mentally to hold an aviation licence. You can't even get one if you're colour blind or at least you couldn't. If you had a choice of two planes knowing both pilots on one were depressed and the two on another were not which would you choose?

Depression is not typically a permanent condition whereas colour blindness is.

If we rule out people who have suffered from depression, anxiety, stress etc from flying aeroplanes I think we will find ourselves in a situation where there are far more planes than there are pilots to fly them.
 
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jay_mcfc said:
foetus said:
The plane dropped gradually from around 10-12,000 metres (30,000 feet) to 2,000 m -- slowly enough, Mr Robin said, that passengers would have been unaware anything was wrong.

Screams are only heard on the recording in the final moments.

"I think the victims were only aware at the very last moment. The screams are heard only in the last instants before the impact," Mr Robin said.

That's some comfort...I hope they weren't in terror for too long.

I don't get the bit about people not realising and the screams coming very late. If I'm on a plane and I see the captain locked out of the cockpit and then trying to kick the door in whilst shouting at the co-pilot and I was feeling that the plane was on the descent, I'd be screaming a lot earlier!
It makes me more comfortable believing that they didn't suffer for too long, so that's what I am going to continue believing...even if I'm wrong.
 
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manchester blue said:
Ducado said:
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Announced this morning that the Co pilots training had to be interrupted whilst he received treatment for Depression! .....and they still gave him a licence to fly one of these?

Millions of people suffer from depression, are you suggesting that they are not allowed to hold down any responsible job, even when they are over it? It's attitudes like this that further stigmatises mental illness and prevents people getting help, we do not know what made him do what he did

It's perfectly reasonable expectation that you should be fit and healthy physically and mentally to hold an aviation licence. You can't even get one if you're colour blind or at least you couldn't. If you had a choice of two planes knowing both pilots on one were depressed and the two on another were not which would you choose?

You don't seem to understand depression and to honest I can't be bothered explaining it, but if I was going to pass comment I would have made sure that I actually had an understanding first
 
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chabal said:
manchester blue said:
Ducado said:
Millions of people suffer from depression, are you suggesting that they are not allowed to hold down any responsible job, even when they are over it? It's attitudes like this that further stigmatises mental illness and prevents people getting help, we do not know what made him do what he did

It's perfectly reasonable expectation that you should be fit and healthy physically and mentally to hold an aviation licence. You can't even get one if you're colour blind or at least you couldn't. If you had a choice of two planes knowing both pilots on one were depressed and the two on another were not which would you choose?

Depression is not typically a permanent condition whereas colour blindness is.

If we rule out people who have suffered from depression, anxiety, stress etc from flying aeroplanes I think we will find ourselves in a situation where there are far more planes than there are pilots to fly them.

That's the industry's problem. As long as it's debated I'll be a happy [ish] flyer.
 
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Some of the stereotypes of depression on here are shocking. You would think everyone that suffers from depression has a rain cloud over their head and can never smile or interact with the general public. If someone says hello to someone that is depressed, the answer should be, "fuck off happy clappy." Please read up on depression people. You actually may save a life. . . . . or 149 lives.
 
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What a sad ending to all those lives if the depression story is confirmed to be true.

The German airline has a lot to answer for if they haven't been continually checking this co pilots and any other members of the companies medical state or history.

I'm sorry but depression isn't fixed in 3 months.

Better medical checks and support for staff has to be a must from now on to prevent anything like this ever happening again.

RIP to everyone who was aboard that flight
 
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Ricster said:
What a sad ending to all those lives if the depression story is confirmed to be true.

The German airline has a lot to answer for if they haven't been continually checking this co pilots and any other members of the companies medical state or history.

I'm sorry but depression isn't fixed in 3 months.

Better medical checks and support for staff has to be a must from now on to prevent anything like this ever happening again.

RIP to everyone who was aboard that flight

No. RIP to the 149. Rot in hell the 150th.

Depression doesn't make you murder 149 people.
 
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blue underpants said:
Police searching 1 of the 2 properties Lubitz lived in say they have found a 'significant clue' as to why he acted like he did
It wasn't a suicide note say German police
 
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He had a serious relationship crisis with his girlfriend before the disaster and the resulting heartbreak is thought to have led to this," said Bild. "Investigators are currently pursuing this line of enquiry with vigour."
 
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More and more in modern society, especially the fast pace and social evolution of western society people are feeling it. Depression can hit anyone in my experience. It hit me in a random way, maybe i let it creep up, not sure. I could hide it well though.
I never ever felt the urge to hurt myself or another though, to stubborn to let things beat me.

Now it is not an excuse but if his head went the thing is he probably gave the people little thought, his head was simply not thinking about them probably. To bound in his own perceived grief.
 
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Yeah, I think depression comes in many forms and it differs for everybody. Some people wont eat or sleep, become reclusive, develop all kinds of odd behaviors, self harm, commit suicide, hurt others all that stuff.

This thing that this co-pilot has done allegedly due to depression is unbelievable. If he has completely snapped, i doubt he would be thinking about the lives of others. Possibly he may have been in such despair that he has reasoned it was a right thing to do. I say reasoned, because it sounds like there is premeditation in this. Amazing how warped a mind can get if this is true.
 
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Was only a matter of time...
According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.

Translation from German:

All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radical”, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.

Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form. And so it is clear that Islam is a terrorist organization that are in accordance with §129a of the Criminal Code to prohibit it and to investigate its followers. But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, “Islamic Scholars”) will agree to assign this an act of a “mentally unstable” man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.

For now the German Islam supporters like never before have their backs against the wall.

Michael Mannheimer, 26.3.2015

Already had some rwnj liking "Britain firsts" post on this.
 
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Just a thing on this flight deck procedure and this is in no way a slight on stewardesses, if it's 2 male pilots and one leaves the flight deck and a female steps in to replace him, whats to stop the male pilot overpowering the female and throttling her then having complete control of the cockpit once again?
 
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It was interesting yesterday that some exec from Lufthansa said that they wouldn't/didn't see a need to change their policy on the number of persons in the cockpit.

In this cold society we live in I wonder if that was said to stop a claim on liability against the airline?

On another point If the pilot had a history of depression I would hope that he was monitored closely. As someone posted a couple of pages back a pilot depressed/with history of depression would shit me up no end.
 
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blue b4 the moon said:
It was interesting yesterday that some exec from Lufthansa said that they wouldn't/didn't see a need to change their policy on the number of persons in the cockpit.

In this cold society we live in I wonder if that was said to stop a claim on liability against the airline?

On another point If the pilot had a history of depression I would hope that he was monitored closely. As someone posted a couple of pages back a pilot depressed/with history of depression would shit me up no end.

I am sure thousands of pilots with varying degrees of depression are flying as we speak.
 
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TangerineSteve17 said:
Yeah, I think depression comes in many forms and it differs for everybody. Some people wont eat or sleep, become reclusive, develop all kinds of odd behaviors, self harm, commit suicide, hurt others all that stuff.

This thing that this co-pilot has done allegedly due to depression is unbelievable. If he has completely snapped, i doubt he would be thinking about the lives of others. Possibly he may have been in such despair that he has reasoned it was a right thing to do. I say reasoned, because it sounds like there is premeditation in this. Amazing how warped a mind can get if this is true.

Heard a snippet of a Clarke Carlisle interview the other day and he was talking about his suicide attempt, and how depression causes suicidal people to rationalise that killing themselves is the best thing for them, their family, everyone. Maybe the co-pilot didn't care or wasn't thinking about the passengers, maybe in his frame of mind he'd rationalised that he was doing them a favour by ending their lives too. I can't begin to get my head around it and am by no means defending his actions, but as you say, shows what can happen to the mind, it's a fragile and dangerous thing.
 
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manchester blue said:
Ducado said:
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Announced this morning that the Co pilots training had to be interrupted whilst he received treatment for Depression! .....and they still gave him a licence to fly one of these?

Millions of people suffer from depression, are you suggesting that they are not allowed to hold down any responsible job, even when they are over it? It's attitudes like this that further stigmatises mental illness and prevents people getting help, we do not know what made him do what he did

It's perfectly reasonable expectation that you should be fit and healthy physically and mentally to hold an aviation licence. You can't even get one if you're colour blind or at least you couldn't. If you had a choice of two planes knowing both pilots on one were depressed and the two on another were not which would you choose?

I hold the highest Class 1 medical for license issue and they are very stringent when it comes to your physical self and meeting those criteria but the medical is not there to diagnose things. The medical is there for satisfying the medical people that you are fit to fly based upon the things they can directly test for and any history you present which they further investigate.

This doesn't mean however they won't treat a history of depression with suspicion and certainly they won't issue one without a specialist giving them the green light. A history of depression still doesn't preclude anyone from medical issue though. Again if you can satisfy them that you are fit to fly and you have a specialist report saying you are either clear or managing the condition, you will be issued a medical. Being unable to see or see colours is different because that does preclude you from meeting the specific criteria to operate an aircraft safely on any basis.

Either way, you are not treated like a criminal, it is a mental illness that can be managed where someone can be clear afterwards for the rest of their lives.

Still after medical issue the airlines may have their own way of testing for such things either via psychometric testing or via your medical history again. All that though is down to the procedures of the airline and what they do to test for it.
 

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