Accusation of Munich chants

[KolarovsLeftPeg]

Yet more idiots bringing the club down. Thankfully it's not been picked up on by the wider media. Brain-dead idiots.

 

[Skashion]

Munichs= Munich sympathisers,supporters who came from the length and breadth of the country and abroad to watch UTD after the disaster.This is the reason they are supported across the country now and by younger relatives of people who adopted UTD as their club. Apparently it was used as an endearing term in the early years after the disaster.

I don't agree with using the word but clearly there's a difference between a reference to the disaster i.e. the Who's that dying on the runway song, and simply calling rags, Munichs. Munichs as a term, putting aside the etymology for a second, is just a reference to the fans or players. Clearly the plural usage of the word indicates that. You'll even hear people who'll say he's alright for a Munich, when said rag isn't present. It's used for the most part in the same way most people use the term rags on here.

 

[Colins Bellend]

Munichs= Munich sympathisers,supporters who came from the length and breadth of the country and abroad to watch UTD after the disaster.This is the reason they are supported across the country now and by younger relatives of people who adopted UTD as their club. Apparently it was used as an endearing term in the early years after the disaster.

I don't agree with using the word but clearly there's a difference between a reference to the disaster i.e. the Who's that dying on the runway song, and simply calling rags, Munichs. Munichs as a term, putting aside the etymology for a second, is just a reference to the fans or players. Clearly the plural usage of the word indicates that. You'll even hear people who'll say he's alright for a Munich, when said rag isn't present. It's used for the most part in the same way most people use the term rags on here.

Yes I understand I was only pointing out a fact, Munich became a derogatory term later on attacking UTDs supporters for not being local people not a dig at the plane crash though.

 

[JM Mcr]

People dont sing it to be disrespectful of the dead its a dig at united.

Not sure about this reasoning if I'm honest but that's irrelevant - whatever the intentions of the minority who sing it, it IS disrespectful to the dead and is perceived as such by the media.

It is no way near as bad as the scummy songs you lot sing.

I'm not denying some Utd fans sing some very unacceptable chants (in fact I posted on here condemning the chants referring to Liverpool that were heard at last weekends Utd/Wigan game) but it's bad enough mate.

The problem with these types of songs is that fans can see them purely as banter or a means to wind up opposition fans (deep down I doubt few,, if any, take any joy from the deaths of other human beings) - without considering how victims, and relatives of victims, of tragedies such as Hillsborough, Istanbul, Munich, The Kursk etc must feel upon hearing them.

It's not important whether you or I think Utd fans chants are more disrespectful or distasteful than those of City fans, using people's deaths to bait or "pointscore" against other fans is always wrong and I'm sure, if we stopped to really consider the possible implications of such chant, none of us would try to justify ANY of them.

Btw mate, not trying to have a pop at you. Just airing my view on a subject that's been at the forefront of the media (rightly imo) lately.

 

[blueian99]

I was there last night and also heard the chants, and as has been stated above, it is a few idiots tagging the chants on the end of songs about the rags, and also individual shouts at Keane. It happens at our games and thankfully it is now down to very small number of people compared with where we were.

Bringing up our exemplary behaviour at the swamp for the 50th anniversary game as a reason why we deserve credit is a bit lame, as our behaviour SHOULD have been (and was) exemplary, with nothing less being acceptable.

Whatever the reasons, historys etc, all these types of chants whoever from and against whoever they are directed are wrong. As for trying to say one party is not as bad as another is to me akin - metaphorically at least - to one bloke claiming to be better than another as he beats his wife less often or less severely.

I say metaphorically as shouting unpleasant things is not as bad as physical violence, but either way, it should just stop.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Some Reds on Twitter still insistent that they heard Munich being chanted in the direction of Keane as they wrapped things up on ITV last night.

Myself and Tueartsboots have gone back again and cannot hear it whatsoever. Only Haaland song.

Those at game insist no Munich chant heard.

If someone has a recording of the game and you're on twitter is it possible you could record the relevent few minutes onto phone and upload via Twitpic. Then tag @TheDaisyCutter1 into tweet.

Tried to do so myself and my phone hates me.

Can guarantee there were no Munich songs san per se. The only reference to Munich was in the Alfie Haarland is a blue song and there it is just a term of disrespect for anyone associated with the team from the swamp, no harm done there I think.

They just want to play the victims and milk their tragedy just a little more at our expense

 

[Manchestercitychorlton]

Anyone got any footage of the interview?

 

[apple pie corner]

Not having this... I was there & heard Keane get loads of $hit, but didn't hear any Munich chants!!

If there was, then that's pretty sad, but the long & short of it is your always going to get some wan£ers singing this...

This isn't City's problem, it's societys....

 

[sir baconface]

The problem with these types of songs is that fans can see them purely as banter or a means to wind up opposition fans (deep down I doubt few,, if any, take any joy from the deaths of other human beings) - without considering how victims, and relatives of victims, of tragedies such as Hillsborough, Istanbul, Munich, The Kursk etc must feel upon hearing them.

It's not important whether you or I think Utd fans chants are more disrespectful or distasteful than those of City fans, using people's deaths to bait or "pointscore" against other fans is always wrong and I'm sure, if we stopped to really consider the possible implications of such chant, none of us would try to justify ANY of them.

Btw mate, not trying to have a pop at you. Just airing my view on a subject that's been at the forefront of the media (rightly imo) lately.

Point well made, JM. Why don't we all stop this sort of shit and move on? Last week's events provided an ideal point to draw a line in the sand. Even though it's a tiny minority it reflects badly on whichever club they support. Christ knows we moan often enough about negative/biased reporting so let's not give it them on a plate.

 

[Champions2012!]

Who cares

 

[Deleted member 14625]

Munichs= Munich sympathisers,supporters who came from the length and breadth of the country and abroad to watch UTD after the disaster.This is the reason they are supported across the country now and by younger relatives of people who adopted UTD as their club. Apparently it was used as an endearing term in the early years after the disaster.

I don't agree with using the word but clearly there's a difference between a reference to the disaster i.e. the Who's that dying on the runway song, and simply calling rags, Munichs. Munichs as a term, putting aside the etymology for a second, is just a reference to the fans or players. Clearly the plural usage of the word indicates that. You'll even hear people who'll say he's alright for a Munich, when said rag isn't present. It's used for the most part in the same way most people use the term rags on here.

Yes I understand I was only pointing out a fact, Munich became a derogatory term later on attacking UTDs supporters for not being local people not a dig at the plane crash though.

That's rubbish though. There are numerous songs that some City fans have sung over the years referencing the runway, the plane, the crash, the pilots, ice, snow, the dead, the survivors, "and when they play in Europe now I hope they crash again"... Unfortunately, we have sung about the crash and the dead in a derogatory way. No getting away from those facts.

 

[BigJoe#1]

That's rubbish though. There are numerous songs that some City fans have sung over the years referencing the runway, the plane, the crash, the pilots, ice, snow, the dead, the survivors, "and when they play in Europe now I hope they crash again"... Unfortunately, we have sung about the crash and the dead in a derogatory way. No getting away from those facts.

100% right, but there wer no Munich chants last night!

And only because this thread is running I say well done to all that went, though shouldn't need to praise sensible behaviou.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Anyone who chants the word or uses it to call a rag is a ****.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

That's rubbish though. There are numerous songs that some City fans have sung over the years referencing the runway, the plane, the crash, the pilots, ice, snow, the dead, the survivors, "and when they play in Europe now I hope they crash again"... Unfortunately, we have sung about the crash and the dead in a derogatory way. No getting away from those facts.

100% right, but there wer no Munich chants last night!

And only because this thread is running I say well done to all that went, though shouldn't need to praise sensible behaviou.

I did hear "Munichs Munichs Munichs" at the end of that CBeebies song we air from time to time If You Hate Man United Clap Your Hands.

 

[Alex the Blue]

I wasn't there so I don't know what really happened. However on reading this thread it appears a very tiny majority used the M word.

What's also apparent on this thread is that some Blues think that other Blues using the M word don't really mean to be all that offensive, that's naive nonsense. Similar logic was used in the 80s when idiots threw bananas at John Barnes and others thought it was just a bit of fun.

It's grossly offensive to use Munich as any kind of jibe and I pray for the day when I never hear it again but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[South Stander]

I was there and heard no munich chants. we did plenty of 'keane is a wanker', 'Alfie Haarland', 'scum' and 'you let your country down' but no munich that I heard sitting on the right side of the City support.

 

[mac]

there were chants but only from about half a dozen at the back. but like another poster said , who cares

 

[seventeen hands]

Need to stop this. Embarrasses our club and fans every time that word is sung in any sort of chant.

 

[Cityfan]

I only sing to support my own team rather than to abuse others. I would not sing any Munich song but some people wish to take offense at everything they hear. For a very few Utd supporters it probably is genuinely offensive, the vast majority were not alive at the time of the tragedy and are offended because they wish to be.

 

[citytill1die84]

I was there we sang "If u hate Man Utd" a few fans carried it on with Munich at the end but not everyone I and most around me stopped. There just trying to make a big deal of it because of what the scum sang about 96 twats.


Any mention of the "Justice for the 96" chants we sang? now thats fucking respect.