Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[mcfc1632]

Not even a little bit? ;-)...

Nope - seriously - whilst I expect it to happen - the UK will suffer from the fallout

My assets will suffer as a direct result and my family will be accordingly worse off - I am not someone that has nothing to lose

 

[mcfc1632]

If that man were you it would be a guess, I'm afraid.

Pardon me for not giving a single fuck about what you are afraid of

 

[hilts]

Can you three get a room, please.

Or a desert island

 

[west didsblue]

That is of course only your opinion

Mine is absolutely that if we stay in the EU we will have a continual deterioration. I am confident that we will certainly be better off if we have a genuine 'Leave' - and that will become obvious as we see the difficulties that are inherent in the EU model lead to its stagnation, fracture and a recession that imposes long-term austerity measures and bitterness

I will take no satisfaction when/should that happen - we ill of course suffer in the fallout - but, should we ever be able to get free, I will e glad that we are able to manage our own process of recovery.

A lot of Remainers, IMO live in the past and the now and do not seem to be able to see the future - just a matter of fact and I therefore understand how this makes people form their Remainer views - people are afraid of change.

The difference is that some of us are more than capable of allowing others to have their own opinions and do not feel the insecurity that results in having to shout others down

It's fair enough that it is your opinion that we will be better off in 10 years. How anyone can be utterly convinced of that is what I struggle to understand. There are so many variables, many of which are outside our control, that can impact the prosperity of this country that make these sorts of long term predictions totally meaningless.

By the way, what is a genuine leave? Is that the mythical one that will be used by Brexiteers in the future to say "if only it was done properly Brexit would have been a roaring success" so they can absolve themselves of any blame for the long term failure of Brexit.

Sorry if you feel I've been shouting you down; there doesn't seem to be any shortage of posts from you.

 

[dave_blue12]

It's fair enough that it is your opinion that we will be better off in 10 years. How anyone can be utterly convinced of that is what I struggle to understand. There are so many variables, many of which are outside our control, that can impact the prosperity of this country that make these sorts of long term predictions totally meaningless.

By the way, what is a genuine leave? Is that the mythical one that will be used by Brexiteers in the future to say "if only it was done properly Brexit would have been a roaring success" so they can absolve themselves of any blame for the long term failure of Brexit.

Sorry if you feel I've been shouting you down; there doesn't seem to be any shortage of posts from you.

You have to question someone who thinks he can see 10 years into the future.

The guy complains about the behaviour of other members but continuously makes snide disparaging comments. Zero self awareness.

 

[Neville Kneville]

One man's guess is another man's educated assessment - I have been considering the issue of the EU for years before 2016 - I am not on of the Brexit JCLs on here - and I feel that my assessments are well founded

I have several times said 10years - depends on the manner in which we leave and the relationship/goodwill that endures

No doubt though in my mind - we will be better off in the future if we are ever able to leave - so it is only ever a question of time - but anyway - need to get back on topic

You don't see our reliance on the Americans & Chinese, who are currently engaged in a trade war, as somewhat tricky ?
That, on our own rather than as part of Europe, the Americans might seek, for example, to use us in that & indeed in matters of foreign policy ?

And the Chinese ?

You can be more certain that being in Europe, will bring us more problems, than that ?

And removing from us, the freedoms so many of us cherish (but not you apparently for whatever reason) with the future huge resentment & in fighting that will bring, forever, from all those who do care is also worth it ?

 

[Neville Kneville]

You have to question someone who thinks he can see 10 years into the future.

The guy complains about the behaviour of other members but continuously makes snide disparaging comments. Zero self awareness.

Not unlike The Donald.

 

[mcfc1632]

It's fair enough that it is your opinion that we will be better off in 10 years. How anyone can be utterly convinced of that is what I struggle to understand. There are so many variables, many of which are outside our control, that can impact the prosperity of this country that make these sorts of long term predictions totally meaningless.

By the way, what is a genuine leave? Is that the mythical one that will be used by Brexiteers in the future to say "if only it was done properly Brexit would have been a roaring success" so they can absolve themselves of any blame for the long term failure of Brexit.

Sorry if you feel I've been shouting you down; there doesn't seem to be any shortage of posts from you.

Re your 1st point - My opinion comes from a deal of consideration over many years - any individual's opinion is based on a person's assessment - taking into account the many variables that may exist - those within direct control and those less/not so.

It is called judgement - and I trust mine over a lot of the ill-thought through parroting I read on here.

Re your 2nd point - 'genuine leave/mythical etc.' well that is you just trying to make another cheap/childish shot - Cameron was clear on what Brexit meant - as I have been. So pardon me if I do not waste time on your silliness.

Re your 3rd point - you 'shouting me down etc.' - no need to apologise, you must have misread what I posted.

I was just pointing out that "...….some of us are more than capable of allowing others to have their own opinions and do not feel the insecurity that results in having to shout others down."

Your, seeming (IMO), insecurity shows through in the manner in which you continually seem to gratuitously slag off certain posters, including myself, even when they are in discussion with other people - but shout me down?

Give over - you do not have any position to create any impact on myself. I used to query your incessant stalking - but now just realise that it is all your part of your insecurity that means that, IMO, you seem to be needy with regard to having the last word and snipe when the opportunity presents.

Anyway - crack on.

 

[mcfc1632]

You have to question someone who thinks he can see 10 years into the future.

The guy complains about the behaviour of other members but continuously makes snide disparaging comments. Zero self awareness.

Do you think that I am the only poster on here chuckling to themselves when they read that from you?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Re your 1st point - My opinion comes from a deal of consideration over many years - any individual's opinion is based on a person's assessment - taking into account the many variables that may exist - those within direct control and those less/not so.

It is called judgement - and I trust mine over a lot of the ill-thought through parroting I read on here.

Re your 2nd point - 'genuine leave/mythical etc.' well that is you just trying to make another cheap/childish shot - Cameron was clear on what Brexit meant - as I have been. So pardon me if I do not waste time on your silliness.

Re your 3rd point - you 'shouting me down etc.' - no need to apologise, you must have misread what I posted.

I was just pointing out that "...….some of us are more than capable of allowing others to have their own opinions and do not feel the insecurity that results in having to shout others down."

Your insecurity shows through in the manner in which you continually seem to gratuitously slag off certain posters, including myself, even when they are in discussion with other people - but shout me down?

Give over - you do not have any position to create any impact on myself. I used to query your incessant stalking - but now just realise that it is all your part of your insecurity that means that, IMO, you seem to be needy with regard to having the last word and snipe when the opportunity presents.

Anyway - crack on.

Your complete lack of self awareness manifests itself in the fact you don't even realise when you are insulting people.

Claiming people are 'insecure' is AN INSULT.

For example.

Most of your posts are demeaning, insulting & sarcastic, sometimes nasty as in your response to Dids Dave.

I don't actually care.

It's just that you are the worst person on the forum, for whining when others do it.

As I said: Scouser behaviour.

 

[mcfc1632]

You don't see our reliance on the Americans & Chinese, who are currently engaged in a trade war, as somewhat tricky ?
That, on our own rather than as part of Europe, the Americans might seek, for example, to use us in that & indeed in matters of foreign policy ?

And the Chinese ?

You can be more certain that being in Europe, will bring us more problems, than that ?

And removing from us, the freedoms so many of us cherish (but not you apparently for whatever reason) with the future huge resentment & in fighting that will bring, forever, from all those who do care is also worth it ?

I have been quite certain about the benefits that would be available to the UK if we were able to get clear of the EU.

Those views pre-date and 2016 referendum and certainly any US/Chinese trade tensions.

There have always been 'situations to be managed' - and there always will be. Getting paralysed due to 'events' only means that you will never make any progress on anything - but I do recognise that some people are unnerved by the prospect of change.

My certainty that we are better, in the medium-long term, being outside the EU is based on the direction that the EU is taking - the trajectory of which has become more certain over recent years.

Let's solve the problem that the UK will have by Remaining in the EU and then separately deal with any fallout from other 'global issues' - at least we will be capable to make our own determinations on economic and fiscal policy to best react - not constrained by the EU's self-serving strategies.

Anyway - this is becoming a Brexit thread - back on topic - interesting that Boris seems to have snubbed the PoTUS by finding a reason to not be able to accept his offer of a meeting.

That will be him making a judgement that any loss of opportunity that the meeting would have presented was outweighed by his concern that Trump's endorsement could have been detrimental to his leadership bid.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I have been quite certain about the benefits that would be available to the UK if we were able to get clear of the EU.

Those views pre-date and 2016 referendum and certainly any US/Chinese trade tensions.

There have always been 'situations to be managed' - and there always will be. Getting paralysed due to 'events' only means that you will never make any progress on anything - but I do recognise that some people are unnerved by the prospect of change.

My certainty that we are better, in the medium-long term, being outside the EU is based on the direction that the EU is taking - the trajectory of which has become more certain over recent years.

Let's solve the problem that the UK will have by Remaining in the EU and then separately deal with any fallout from other 'global issues' - at least we will be capable to make our own determinations on economic and fiscal policy to best react - not constrained by the EU's self-serving strategies.

Anyway - this is becoming a Brexit thread - back on topic - interesting that Boris seems to have snubbed the PoTUS by finding a reason to not be able to accept his offer of a meeting.

That will be him making a judgement that any loss of opportunity that the meeting would have presented was outweighed by his concern that Trump's endorsement could have been detrimental to his leadership bid.

He'll be all over Trump if he wins.

 

[west didsblue]

Re your 1st point - My opinion comes from a deal of consideration over many years - any individual's opinion is based on a person's assessment - taking into account the many variables that may exist - those within direct control and those less/not so.

It is called judgement - and I trust mine over a lot of the ill-thought through parroting I read on here.

Re your 2nd point - 'genuine leave/mythical etc.' well that is you just trying to make another cheap/childish shot - Cameron was clear on what Brexit meant - as I have been. So pardon me if I do not waste time on your silliness.

Re your 3rd point - you 'shouting me down etc.' - no need to apologise, you must have misread what I posted.

I was just pointing out that "...….some of us are more than capable of allowing others to have their own opinions and do not feel the insecurity that results in having to shout others down."

Your insecurity shows through in the manner in which you continually seem to gratuitously slag off certain posters, including myself, even when they are in discussion with other people - but shout me down?

Give over - you do not have any position to create any impact on myself. I used to query your incessant stalking - but now just realise that it is all your part of your insecurity that means that, IMO, you seem to be needy with regard to having the last word and snipe when the opportunity presents.

Anyway - crack on.

I'll crack on.

You bore off.

Your posts are so full of self importance and puffery they don't merit a detailed response. You never back up your points with anything substantive, It's all "Oh I've considered it for many years so I know better than anyone". You're a joke.

As for gratuitous slagging off, you're hardly in a position to lecture anyone about that when you go round accusing people of being stalkers for calling you out on your ill thought out posts.

 

[mcfc1632]

Your complete lack of self awareness manifests itself in the fact you don't even realise when you are insulting people.

Claiming people are 'insecure' is AN INSULT.

For example.

Most of your posts are demeaning, insulting & sarcastic, sometimes nasty as in your response to Dids Dave.

I don't actually care.

It's just that you are the worst person on the forum, for whining when others do it.

As I said: Scouser behaviour.

Sorry?

Do you not think that WDB has not been far more insulting towards me and others?

Do you not think that you have been insulting?

What about the double Ds?

Anyway, I do not mean to be making generalisations, so I have edited my post to be clear that I was speaking exclusively based on my opinion - I accept that not a single other poster might share this opinion.

Oh - and here we are again - an exchange of posts that are negative - and why? How did this latest start - well like so many others...….

I refer you to post #776 on page 78 - where WDB cannot stop his (seeming - my opinion only) need to make another snide comment by saying that my opinion is '".... totally meaningless and complete bullshit." when I was in a discussion with Ban-jani.

Actually quite tame for him, but, I would suggest that it would not take much analysis to find such posts from him during the course of other threads where things have deteriorated. Again - just my opinion.

My reply was measured - and my others have been since - of course the pack gather - the normal course of events...….​

 

[Neville Kneville]

Sorry?

Do you not think that WDB has not been far more insulting towards me and others?

Do you not think that you have been insulting?

What about the double Ds?

Anyway, I do not mean to be making generalisations, so I have edited my post to be clear that I was speaking exclusively based on my opinion - I accept that not a single other poster might share this opinion.

Oh - and here we are again - an exchange of posts that are negative - and why? How did this latest start - well like so many others...….

I refer you to post #776 on page 78 - where WDB cannot stop his (seeming - my opinion only) need to make another snide comment by saying that my opinion is '".... totally meaningless and complete bullshit." when I was in a discussion with Ban-jani.

Actually quite tame for him, but, I would suggest that it would not take much analysis to find such posts from him during the course of other threads where things have deteriorated. Again - just my opinion.

My reply was measured - and my others have been since - of course the pack gather - the normal course of events...….​

You have often done the same with me, insulting, demeaning etc.

I don't care one bit, you can say what you like.

I just think you are ridiculously oversensitive when you get it back.

 

[west didsblue]

Sorry?

Do you not think that WDB has not been far more insulting towards me and others?

Do you not think that you have been insulting?

What about the double Ds?

Anyway, I do not mean to be making generalisations, so I have edited my post to be clear that I was speaking exclusively based on my opinion - I accept that not a single other poster might share this opinion.

Oh - and here we are again - an exchange of posts that are negative - and why? How did this latest start - well like so many others...….

I refer you to post #776 on page 78 - where WDB cannot stop his (seeming - my opinion only) need to make another snide comment by saying that my opinion is '".... totally meaningless and complete bullshit." when I was in a discussion with Ban-jani.

Actually quite tame for him, but, I would suggest that it would not take much analysis to find such posts from him during the course of other threads where things have deteriorated. Again - just my opinion.

My reply was measured - and my others have been since - of course the pack gather - the normal course of events...….​

Yep, all just your opinion, and in my opinion you haven't a clue.

Why don't you stop whining for once and you might get your points taken slightly more seriously..

 

[mcfc1632]

Yep, all just your opinion, and in my opinion you haven't a clue.

Why don't you stop whining for once and you might get your points taken slightly more seriously..

Would this be your need to have the last word coming through again??

Just joshing;-)

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Nah, just blatant antisemitism. When it's as blatant as in your deleted post I'm surprised you didn't get a complete ban. You obviously haven't taken it on board.

So you have have decided i am antisemitic, feel free to send your findings off to the authorities i was on the works computer which records everything i do.
I do feel very sorry for you and your buddies, you are so far down the victimized road you cannot see reason or logic

 

[salfordbluetrue]

What’s this based on?

The EU has withstood a lot over the last few decades, appreciating that it’s evolving all the time.

Making ourselves poorer on the basis that our nearest neighbours will collapse isn’t a positive outcome.

If the EU does go down it’s very bad for us even if we’re out of it.

I believe the EU will go down and our time now should be spent making our selves capable of withstanding the disaster that will engulf most of the world

 

[Ban-jani]

I believe the EU will go down and our time now should be spent making our selves capable of withstanding the disaster that will engulf most of the world

“I believe” isn’t good enough - what’s it based on?