Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

Ban-jani said:
Every government in my life and my father’s life has had major major fuck ups, it’s worth noting and roughly 50% of the population who have really disliked them.
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The problem with this is this Government is 6 months old and has been presented with a problem that it has badly botched and on any other issue that arises it seems to stumble from one small scale disaster to another.

And we thought Brexit and the failure to get any kind of positive outcome would do them in. This is a party that has been engineered to weather the brexit storm, loyalty to the PM is the only characteristic that defines this cohort of tory MPs. Yet there is a sense that it is falling down already. They get derided from week to week. There is no let up to the failings - there was no honey moon period, no achievement, no sign of anythging positive coming and no legacy other than repeated failure.
 
Gaudion M said:
The problem with this is this Government is 6 months old and has been presented with a problem that it has badly botched and on any other issue that arises it seems to stumble from one small scale disaster to another.

And we thought Brexit and the failure to get any kind of positive outcome would do them in. This is a party that has been engineered to weather the brexit storm, loyalty to the PM is the only characteristic that defines this cohort of tory MPs. Yet there is a sense that it is falling down already. They get derided from week to week. There is no let up to the failings - there was no honey moon period, no achievement, no sign of anythging positive coming and no legacy other than repeated failure.
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I don’t disagree at all mate but I would add that the current circumstance is a little bit more than a problem.

They have essentially spent the whole time trying to save face and doing what public pressure suggested though.

Ive used this word a lot recently but spineless is what I’d call them.
 
Starmer at PMQ having a go at local council finance, quoting Tory council leaders

I think Johnson has just invented a fictional £1.6bn to councils.

He's obsessing about Labour on reopening schools.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Which says?
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This really must be like being at work for you ;)

I documented what it said on here a bit back, if those in control of Labour HQ had not undermined the leadership with their vitriolic attacks and weaponization of AS and had decided to use party funds more appropriately rather than spend lavishly on favoured people like Watson in his safe seat then Labour could have taken power because they missed out by only 4000 votes in key marginals starved of funding.

The report is damning on those who worked at Labour HQ and nothing has been done about it, which is one of the reasons I am not backing Starmer.

As for an appetite for a left wing leader we will now never know as its too late and Labour has been reclaimed by the centrists and the left like me are purged by the party. The status quo is safe and secure and you can tell that because the editorials in the RW press have all lavished praise on Starmer.

Anyway back to the thread.

Johnson has just had another shocker at PMQs, he really is way out of his depth and I believe the only thing that is now keeping him in power is BREXIT. When that is finalised I would expect he will be toppled from power by his own party and replaced with another odious **** probably the smarmy freak that is Gove.

Vive le revolution.
 
Rascal said:
This really must be like being at work for you ;)

I documented what it said on here a bit back, if those in control of Labour HQ had not undermined the leadership with their vitriolic attacks and weaponization of AS and had decided to use party funds more appropriately rather than spend lavishly on favoured people like Watson in his safe seat then Labour could have taken power because they missed out by only 4000 votes in key marginals starved of funding.

The report is damning on those who worked at Labour HQ and nothing has been done about it, which is one of the reasons I am not backing Starmer.

As for an appetite for a left wing leader we will now never know as its too late and Labour has been reclaimed by the centrists and the left like me are purged by the party. The status quo is safe and secure and you can tell that because the editorials in the RW press have all lavished praise on Starmer.

Anyway back to the thread.

Johnson has just had another shocker at PMQs, he really is way out of his depth and I believe the only thing that is now keeping him in power is BREXIT. When that is finalised I would expect he will be toppled from power by his own party and replaced with another odious **** probably the smarmy freak that is Gove.

Vive le revolution.
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Do you think the actual antisemitism has anything to do with it?

Every single chart I’ve seen gave Brexit, Corbyn and then the manifesto, in that order, as the three reasons for abandoning Labour.
 
Ban-jani said:
Do you think the actual antisemitism has anything to do with it?

Every single chart I’ve seen gave Brexit, Corbyn and then the manifesto, in that order, as the three reasons for abandoning Labour.
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The majority of Labour activists would say Corbyn was the number 1 issue on the doorstep. Brexit is a 50:50 issue, Corbyn's approval rating was in the sub 30% zone going into that election. The manifesto was a hot mess but can you separate Corbyn and the Manifesto?

In my view it was clearly Corbyn that lost Labour the election - RLB lost as the continuity candidate by a comfortable margin which when you think how tight a grip Corbyn had on the party that is quite a turnaround. The driver of that is that many of the new Momentum supporting members had a bit of an awakening.
 
Gaudion M said:
The majority of Labour activists would say Corbyn was the number 1 issue on the doorstep. Brexit is a 50:50 issue, Corbyn's approval rating was in the sub 30% zone going into that election. The manifesto was a hot mess but can you separate Corbyn and the Manifesto?

In my view it was clearly Corbyn that lost Labour the election - RLB lost as the continuity candidate by a comfortable margin which when you think how tight a grip Corbyn had on the party that is quite a turnaround. The driver of that is that many of the new Momentum supporting members had a bit of an awakening.
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The charts I’ve seen stated which of these three were the issue and it was Brexit, Corbyn or the manifesto.

I appreciate the manifesto is essentially Corbyn as a leader but it’s not his dodgy past, which was a huge issue for people and needed to be separated.

Most people said Brexit though still.

I think we agree overall that Labour’s position wouldn’t have been electable, even if the antisemitism issue wasn’t there, even though it was Corbyn’s fault, despite what Rascal says.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
What do you mean by this bit, mate?
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There were many new members of the party who signed up under Corbyn thinking that his left wing stance would have a massive appeal that could only grow and it was inevitable that he would end up winning an election, the close defeat to May supported to that to an extent. Within the labour left bubble he was nailed on to win the next election, that in part is why the manifesto was so bad - they believed the prior version didn't go far enough.

Any one who dared suggest that JC was unpopular and his approach to extreme was labelled a tory, or worse, blairite scum. It was pretty clear though out the campaign he was a big problem and his people were problems (the likes of Abbot and Gardiner where hugely unpopular). The result was a wake up call in that they had denied this for months in the lead up - the election confirmed it.
 
Gaudion M said:
There were many new members of the party who signed up under Corbyn thinking that his left wing stance would have a massive appeal that could only grow and it was inevitable that he would end up winning an election, the close defeat to May supported to that to an extent. Within the labour left bubble he was nailed on to win the next election, that in part is why the manifesto was so bad - they believed the prior version didn't go far enough.

Any one who dared suggest that JC was unpopular and his approach to extreme was labelled a tory, or worse, blairite scum. It was pretty clear though out the campaign he was a big problem and his people were problems (the likes of Abbot and Gardiner where hugely unpopular). The result was a wake up call in that they had denied this for months in the lead up - the election confirmed it.
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Anyone who couldn't see what you saw has a very obscure relationship with reality and is therefore unlikely to awaken anytime soon.
 
Ban-jani said:
If you think the leaked report proves Labour would have won 80+ more seats then you’re too far gone in delusion.

Their Brexit strategy alone was the main issue on the doorstep, although Corbyn and the manifesto weren’t popular either.

The antisemitism was the biggest issue for me but it wasn’t the biggest issue for the electorate, that was the 2nd referendum.
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There wouldn't have been an election in December. We would be in the third year of a labour government. 2017 was sabotaged and the report proves it. Even then they only just stopped a corbyn led government.
 
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