Mere convention. I'm sure Cummings could tell HMQ how to get round it.
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Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
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Distracted onto how many of those thousands of deaths are already down to things Cummings has/hasn't done. (How much of any policy was not his?)Yep, compared to things the Govt have/haven't done that have lead to 1000's of deaths Cummings going up the A1 is a story worthy of heat magazine. It is pathetic how easily we are distracted.
Rascal
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I wish I could say I did pal. but I don't. The most serious health crisis possibly since the Spanish Flu with its enormous implications for myself due to the meds I take means I needed the man to step up and be a PM and I really wanted him too because I needed him too, but he has been an abject failure and his performance has been pitiful. All he has done has reinforced my fears about him and his support of Cummings with all the implications his behaviour has for people like myself has just angered me.Go on, admit it, you get a little bit of pleasure out of saying I told you so. You wouldn’t be human if you didn’t ;-)
Government should protect the individual from the masses, he has protected himself and his friends before the people. That is unforgivable.
Rascal
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Member of The Lords can't be a PM
Actually they can, Lord Douglas Home in 1963, although he did renounce his peerage after taking office, Lord Salisbury lead the Government up to 1902. Lord Halifax was in line to replace Chamberlain before WW2 until Churchill got the job.
The Prime Minister actually means First amongst equals, so anybody in the cabinet can be first amongst equals as long as the Queen accedes. The cabinet can come from both houses, The Lord Chancellor is in the cabinet but resides in the Lords.
Saddleworth2
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It never went away on this particular thread.I’m starting to think it’s time to revive ‘****’. Feels like the right time.
gordondaviesmoustache
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People are always nicking my material ffs!It never went away on this particular thread.
Chris in London
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People are always nicking my material ffs!
the forum’s obliged
Saddleworth2
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I like you.People are always nicking my material ffs!
The perfect fumble
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I'm honestly not sure they are. The real story that actually could put tremendous pressure on the pm and govt is around the issue of death rates, the late wishy washy lockdown, testing /tracking, and gaping holes in the 'plan' to return to normal. All these have been pushed off the news agenda by a sort of cross between Karl pilkington and Oswald Moseley driving up the A1. The shit state of the A1 is probably a more important story.
Can you not see it?
This Cummings story has traction because the whole is far greater than the sum of its insignificant parts, it speaks to the sacrifices all of us (almost all of us) have had to make, some far greater than others. The story won't die down because it chimes with five things emerging from this crisis.
1. We're indignant, there is one rule for our rulers and one for us.
2. We're appalled, our rulers are liars.
3. We're angry, we've been taken for mugs, all of us.
4. We're weary, our rulers are incompetent, they don't know what they're doing.
5. We're apprehensive, our rulers are indifferent to our plight, they've fucked us over, they don't have our best interests at heart now and in to the future.
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Douglas Home would have been PM and a Lord for longer if a Scottish Tory MP hadn't conveniently died and left a vacant seat for him. Between disclaiming his peerage and winning the election the Prime Minister was not a member of either the Lords or the Commons.Order! Order! He revoked his peerage so wasn't a Lord. I stand by my claim that a member of the Lords can't be a PM. Apologies for reverse-pedantry!! What I think we both agree is that you can be a Lord, revoke, and be PM, you can't stay being a Lord and be PM. Lock the doors!
stonerblue
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The twat spent the whole brexit campaign 'distracting' the country to the point where millions believed him and voted accordingly.Yep, compared to things the Govt have/haven't done that have lead to 1000's of deaths Cummings going up the A1 is a story worthy of heat magazine. It is pathetic how easily we are distracted.
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Johnson should be toast. Given that the next election is years away can the Tory party replace him with someone else if they so wished?
Absolutely they can and his rivals will have been plotting from the first second he got the gig.
Saddleworth2
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I cannot begin to think how those that have lost family and friends and have been unable to visit in hospital and attend funerals must feel about this. Never mind those that have been in a similar situation to Cummings and have abided by the guidelines. I still believe he will be gone by Wednesday only because if he stays longer he will drag Johnson more and more into this. This is a far bigger story than some dude breaking lockdown and travelling up the A1. Its really about this governments real relationship with the rest of the nation.Can you not see it?
This Cummings story has traction because the whole is far greater than the sum of its insignificant parts, it speaks to the sacrifices all of us (almost all of us) have had to make, some far greater than others. The story won't die down because it chimes with five things emerging from this crisis.
1. We're indignant, there is one rule for our rulers and one for us.
2. We're appalled, our rulers are liars.
3. We're angry, we've been taken for mugs, all of us.
4. We're weary, our rulers are incompetent, they don't know what they're doing.
5. We're apprehensive, our rulers are indifferent to our plight, they've fucked us over, they don't have our best interests at heart now and in to the future.
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I cannot begin to think how those that have lost family and friends and have been unable to visit in hospital and attend funerals must feel about this. Never mind those that have been in a similar situation to Cummings and have abided by the guidelines. I still believe he will be gone by Wednesday only because if he stays longer he will drag Johnson more and more into this. This is a far bigger story than some dude breaking lockdown and travelling up the A1. Its really about this governments real relationship with the rest of the nation.
Spot on.
Agree with this, but don't think he will be gone by Wednesday myself. The cabinet must've known about his actions at the time, so to sack him now implicates all of them.I cannot begin to think how those that have lost family and friends and have been unable to visit in hospital and attend funerals must feel about this. Never mind those that have been in a similar situation to Cummings and have abided by the guidelines. I still believe he will be gone by Wednesday only because if he stays longer he will drag Johnson more and more into this. This is a far bigger story than some dude breaking lockdown and travelling up the A1. Its really about this governments real relationship with the rest of the nation.
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Agree with this, but don't think he will be gone by Wednesday myself. The cabinet must've known about his actions at the time, so to sack him now implicates all of them.
Toast. Boris won't be far behind either as his rivals and suitors for the top job won't miss out on an opportunity like this.
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I cannot begin to think how those that have lost family and friends and have been unable to visit in hospital and attend funerals must feel about this. Never mind those that have been in a similar situation to Cummings and have abided by the guidelines. I still believe he will be gone by Wednesday only because if he stays longer he will drag Johnson more and more into this. This is a far bigger story than some dude breaking lockdown and travelling up the A1. Its really about this governments real relationship with the rest of the nation.
I knew Johnson would back Cummings, and now that he has I believe he will continue to back him.
The Tory Party is in an unnatural state, it is headed by a right wing populist at variance with traditional Tory values. The Tories go along with it because they have little choice and because whatever qualms they might have, Johnson has delivered the one thing that conquers all misgivings for Tories.....Power.
That is as true now as back in December, besides, there's no upsides for Johnson in sacking Cummings now and Cummings certainly won't resign. Standing by Cummings means that Johnson is now castigated far and wide as a lying bastard. If he sacks Cummings on Wednesday, he'll be cast as a weak lying bastard.
Not a difficult choice really, even for Johnson.
Toast. Boris won't be far behind either as his rivals and suitors for the top job won't miss out on an opportunity like this.
Needs to resign
Don’t think it will blow over
People like him serve a purpose at a time
But they always fall on the sword
It’s part of the job, if you make a mistake your a gonna
It’s just if he wants a slow painful death or not
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There was an article in the Sunday Times yesterday that said the 22 days of delay at the start of all this has led to 1million more people getting infected than necessary.Distracted onto how many of those thousands of deaths are already down to things Cummings has/hasn't done. (How much of any policy was not his?)
Unnecessary deaths must be in the tens of thousands.