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Just reading an article in which Barnier comments on the upcoming negotiations, brought home to me how docile May/Robbins were in allowing the EU to set out the process and order for negotiations last time. They will surely seek to do that again and the extent to which they are successful should provide some early sight of how resolute the UK are going to be this time. Our stance should also indicate the extent to which the UK will start to mobilise the prospect of No-Deal as a fallback position.

As an observer of the negotiations it is interesting to see the pre-negotiating positioning statements - and the fact that they are emerging from the senior EU representatives is telling.

Barnier seeks to emphasise the 'enormity' of the task: ".....the UK will "automatically, mechanically, legally, leave 600 international agreements". We will have, together – EU and UK, and the UK for its part, alone – to rebuild everything, he says. "That is what is at stake for the next stage of the negotiations".

He then sets out the scope of what is to be covered: "...."a partnership that goes well beyond trade and is unprecedented in scope: covering everything from services and fisheries, to climate action, energy, transport, space, security and defence". But then he concedes that this is "a huge agenda". We simply cannot expect to agree on every single aspect of this new partnership in under a year, he says." and I expect that his team are now very actively preparing the 'prioritisation' of these areas to ensure that those of greatest importance to the UK are 'appropriately' behind those that the EU sees as the priorities.

I would expect this to be the initial important engagement and whilst we should be able to gauge the strengths of the 2 parties and increasingly the likely outcome, I hope that this is not the case as I hope that the UK does not let itself get involved with the public positioning statements that has been the EU's style throughout. In the past this has worked for the EU as their every aspect of doom-mongering has been seized upon by their sycophants at Westminster and social media to trumpet the omnipotence of the EU and demean the UK. Those days where the EU could, via its proxies, control the UK's negotiating positions has now been swept aside and it will be interesting to see if the EU's negotiating team have reconciled themselves to the implications of this change. Equally it will be important to see if the UK representatives are people that can effectively utilise the opportunity that results from the UK having been liberated from the constraints that evidenced Westminster's previous willingness to deliberately damage the UK's negotiating position.

This article starts to bring out where the approaches to negotiations and priorities of the 2 parties will differ - as I say - I find it interesting that Barnier continues to make these public pronouncements at this stage. Fuck - I really hope that Johnson has assembled the right team...…..

eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87482
 
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You seem to be just seeking another way of saying that you think people that voted Leave are thick

How has that worked for you so far?
That's shooting the messenger. Shriver is a Leaver and what I posted was her explanation of entrenched positions, and I recognised some of what she says as a cogent explanation of why few people changed their minds (and we'll never know how many apart from all the surveys that said most people would have voted Remain given another chance). Feel free to listen to her broadcast before you comment further in ignorance.
 
Just reading an article in which Barnier comments on the upcoming negotiations, brought home to me how docile May/Robbins were in allowing the EU to set out the process and order for negotiations last time. They will surely seek to do that again and the extent to which they are successful should provide some early sight of how resolute the UK are going to be this time. Our stance should also indicate the extent to which the UK will start to mobilise the prospect of No-Deal as a fallback position.

As an observer of the negotiations it is interesting to see the pre-negotiating positioning statements - and the fact that they are emerging from the senior EU representatives is telling.

Barnier seeks to emphasise the 'enormity' of the task: ".....the UK will "automatically, mechanically, legally, leave 600 international agreements". We will have, together – EU and UK, and the UK for its part, alone – to rebuild everything, he says. "That is what is at stake for the next stage of the negotiations".

He then sets out the scope of what is to be covered: "...."a partnership that goes well beyond trade and is unprecedented in scope: covering everything from services and fisheries, to climate action, energy, transport, space, security and defence". But then he concedes that this is "a huge agenda". We simply cannot expect to agree on every single aspect of this new partnership in under a year, he says." and I expect that his team are now very actively preparing the 'prioritisation' of these areas to ensure that those of greatest importance to the UK are 'appropriately' behind those that the EU sees as the priorities.

I would expect this to be the initial important engagement and whilst we should be able to gauge the strengths of the 2 parties and increasingly the likely outcome, I hope that this is not the case as I hope that the UK does not let itself get involved with the public positioning statements that has been the EU's style throughout. In the past this has worked for the EU as their every aspect of doom-mongering has been seized upon by their sycophants at Westminster and social media to trumpet the omnipotence of the EU and demean the UK. Those days where the EU could, via its proxies, control the UK's negotiating positions has now been swept aside and it will be interesting to see if the EU's negotiating team have reconciled themselves to the implications of this change. Equally it will be important to see if the UK representatives are people that can effectively utilise the opportunity that results from the UK having been liberated from the constraints that evidenced Westminster's previous willingness to deliberately damage the UK's negotiating position.

This article starts to bring out where the approaches to negotiations and priorities of the 2 parties will differ - as I say - I find it interesting that Barnier continues to make these public pronouncements at this stage. Fuck - I really hope that Johnson has assemble the right team...…..

eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87482
I might have misunderstood but re "... it is interesting to see the pre-negotiating positioning statements - and the fact that they are emerging from the senior EU representatives is telling", do you mean the EU seems to realise the enormity of the task and we don't?

It certainly sounds lkke that from your last sentence.
 
I have posted far less of late as can be seen by these threads.

Time to sit back and watch our politicians and parliament carry out the democratic wish of our nation so no need to post other than to reply to some posts that need a reply.
Parliament? Parliament is going AWOL while Johnson fumbles around forming a negotiating team...

"Sovereignty" is going to look very different with an elective dictatorship.
 
Parliament? Parliament is going AWOL while Johnson fumbles around forming a negotiating team...

"Sovereignty" is going to look very different with an elective dictatorship.

So insist on an electable opposition instead of going along for the ride of the cult that was Corbynism, momentum and McCluskey rule.

Your much fabled membership has a lot to answer for.
 
Parliament? Parliament is going AWOL while Johnson fumbles around forming a negotiating team...

"Sovereignty" is going to look very different with an elective dictatorship.

I’m at a point now, with posts like this, where I dislike both leavers and remainers.

Stop being hysterical.
 
Paralysed = our sovereign parliament trying to dig the country out of a democratic hole.
No, Catweasel is still in the realm of the undead, opposing anything and everything, as his dreary tenure drags on.
The earth walkers sat around him have had their say about everything Brexit related, we've had to wait an eternity
to finally get their mouths sewn shut about it, we need hear no more from them.
 
That's shooting the messenger. Shriver is a Leaver and what I posted was her explanation of entrenched positions, and I recognised some of what she says as a cogent explanation of why few people changed their minds (and we'll never know how many apart from all the surveys that said most people would have voted Remain given another chance). Feel free to listen to her broadcast before you comment further in ignorance.
Nah - don't think so

And nah, I will not feel the need to waste time listening to her broadcast. I do not see that as commenting in ignorance as I am not commenting on what she puts forward.

I was commenting on the words in your previous post and I can see why you wish to see what she says as a 'cogent explanation of why few people changed their mind'.

I see the reason as being that:
You seem to be just seeking another way of saying that you think people that voted Leave are thick

How has that worked for you so far?
 
I might have misunderstood but re "... it is interesting to see the pre-negotiating positioning statements - and the fact that they are emerging from the senior EU representatives is telling", do you mean the EU seems to realise the enormity of the task and we don't?

It certainly sounds lkke that from your last sentence.
You are right

You have misunderstood
 
Yes, I understand the concept, ( tho it is oxymoronic) but not your sentence.
I'm sure whoever coined the term knew it was an oxymoron. If you don't think that stopping Parliament from discussing any deal we cut is a bit like elective dictatorship then I can't help further.
 
Nah - don't think so

And nah, I will not feel the need to waste time listening to her broadcast. I do not see that as commenting in ignorance as I am not commenting on what she puts forward.

I was commenting on the words in your previous post and I can see why you wish to see what she says as a 'cogent explanation of why few people changed their mind'.

I see the reason as being that:
You have misunderstood.

Do you ever listen to anybody but yourself?
 
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