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You've not read the full facts though, have you.

The UK has been in a losing minority more often over the past few years


In recent years the UK has been more often on the losing side of these votes.


Research by Dr Hagemann and Professor Hix shows that between 2009 and 2015 the UK voted against the majority 12.3% of the time, compared to 2.6% of the time between 2004 and 2009.
I've had a quick look. Perhaps the difference is that in the later period the Tory MEPs were in the same political group as the fascists. (Though these were votes in the Council of Ministers, not the Parliament; most of the disagreements were over money, foreign policy and international development.)
 
Mothercare gone today

Flybe going in the next few weeks


But you had to have your Brexit didnt you .........
Terrible isn't it - just noticed the weather too. The brexit we were promised never said anything about it being windy, pissing down, and getting dark at four o'clock.
 

Which is why I voted to leave so we would hopefully join it. EFTA option is still brexit, numbnuts. I think you've made "brexit" synonymous with "no deal". That's silly.

Shame the remainers didn't get behind EFTA membership and mention it more often in the media/twitter circles instead of "remain! remain! bollocks to brexit!" It's not like there wasn't a leave endorsed EFTA 4 UK campaign... oh wait.
https://efta4uk.co.uk/

Congratulations, you played yourselves.


Why would Remainers need to campaign for EFTA? After all, staying in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border was an official Leave campaign promise. Instead we got "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal" - a betrayal of that promise. (I hoped never again to mention that promise of the FTZFITTRB - but if people post daft stuff....)
 


I think secretly even though many leavers will never admit it, this was what it was all about for many of them. Beating the remainers regardless of whether we'd be better off or not, it's actually quite sad when you think about it.

Yeah, but we're not getting EFTA membership so that means you must be a sad panda like every remainer on January 31st. :)

I guess Shriver was about right. All about having won.
 
No it's not, it's exactly what it's intended to suggest.

Nobody can stop you from living/retiring in another country in Europe. People are being melodramatic (and pedantic).
Eh?

OF COURSE they can stop you. You want to live in France, you apply, and they say "No". What's not to understand here?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Or just plain misunderstanding the reality? The reality is, post-Brexit some people will want to retire to Europe and won't be able to because the country they want to retire to, won't let them in.

So please quit the "nobody is stopping you" nonsense.
 
Eh?

OF COURSE they can stop you. You want to live in France, you apply, and they say "No". What's not to understand here?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Or just plain misunderstanding the reality? The reality is, post-Brexit some people will want to retire to Europe and won't be able to because the country they want to retire to, won't let them in.

So please quit the "nobody is stopping you" nonsense.
Then it'll be that country, not us, preventing them.
 
Then it'll be that country, not us, preventing them.

Of course. So what? What on earth difference does that make? You said nobody is preventing you. That is incorrect, isn't it.

Fact is, right now, anyone in the UK can live / work or retire anywhere in the EU. The fact is very soon, entirely through our own actions, most people in the UK won't be able to.

I understand your personal views and motivations re Brexit mate, and clearly this downgrading - huge downgrading - of our current freedoms is of little or no concern to you. But trying to pretend it does not exist, is just plain silly. It's a really bad negative consequence of Brexit which is going to adversely affect hundreds of thousands of people. It's the single biggest thing that pisses me off about Brexit more than anything else.
 
Of course. So what? What on earth difference does that make? You said nobody is preventing you. That is incorrect, isn't it.

Fact is, right now, anyone in the UK can live / work or retire anywhere in the EU. The fact is very soon, entirely through our own actions, most people in the UK won't be able to.
Again it's the pedantry of the misunderstanding of use of language on here.

Do you honestly think there were leave voters out there who though "ah yes, i'm going to vote leave solely to prevent UK citizens retiring in Europe". No they didn't. If you still want to do that "nobody" is stopping you, nor was it intended for that purpose.
 
Again it's the pedantry of the misunderstanding of use of language on here.

Do you honestly think there were leave voters out there who though "ah yes, i'm going to vote leave solely to prevent UK citizens retiring in Europe". No they didn't. If you still want to do that "nobody" is stopping you, nor was it intended for that purpose.
Today I can just move to Spain and live there . Next year I probably can’t Somebody is stopping me that can’t stop me now, no matter how often you tell me nobody is stopping me.Its a freedom I’ve lost and so have my children.
 
Today I can just move to Spain and live there . Next year I probably can’t Somebody is stopping me that can’t stop me now, no matter how often you tell me nobody is stopping me.Its a freedom I’ve lost and so have my children.
You haven't but, if it makes you feel better...

Ironically it was also one you'd have "lost" had Scotland left the UK and thus the EU, but there we go.
 
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