Well it was vote Lib Dem, Tory or Brexit Party. One wanted to revoke Brexit and another would let Corbyn in - so in reality there was only one choice.
Even though I'm pro-brexit I found it tragic that opinion was so polarised on brext/remain and also corbyn largely by the media that large swathes of what should be the natural labour working class vote were herded like sheep into voting Boris (brexit). If labour had come up with a clear remain or brexit policy even though the damage done to corbyn was too great for him to win it could have resulted in another near hung parliament or certainly smaller tory majority.However you chose to answer a question with a flippant comment because you didn't know the actual manifesto pledge. Two clues - I have already answered somebody else with the detail on here ( you haven't read that either clearly ) or Google could be your friend.
Reports in the Irish press about concerns of how to gain access to the funds whilst avoiding having to sign up to the 'attached strings' - one example: EU controls over how Ireland sets its Corporation TaxYep, and if the EU was simply intending to bulk buy debt using the advantages of its AAA rating and pass on to members with no strings I'd applaud it.
Whilst I understand the sentiment about Greece - and yes they will get stuffed through more EU powers over the setting of domestic policy so that the EU can enforce reforms - I think the reality means that Greece will be the new norm.Thank the lord above we are out now. It will be difficult enough coming out of the post covid downturn on our own without being roped into paying for chunks of Europe to do so as well because rest assured if we were still a member we would have.
No doubt Greece will get stuffed again. Poor buggers.
Whereas at least the employees in Barcelona dont have to worry about such issues of uncertainty,- so I can see your point (not)Read Simon Jack's analysis - its not cut and dried and up here thats still a threat over about 10k jobs in total something reflected in the views of the fold who work there.
I often agree with your posts - but I think that the extent to which the media actually exercise control is often over-stated and that situation is largely an issue of decades agoEven though I'm pro-brexit I found it tragic that opinion was so polarised on brext/remain and also corbyn largely by the media that large swathes of what should be the natural labour working class vote were herded like sheep into voting Boris (brexit). If labour had come up with a clear remain or brexit policy even though the damage done to corbyn was too great for him to win it could have resulted in another near hung parliament or certainly smaller tory majority.
Well, best that Barnier stops posturing then.I think this is all posturing now ahead of the inevitable no deal.
They should have pissed the GE, as the vast majority love the EU.Didn't they win the last GE as the whole country made its voice heard that they wanted to remain in the EU?
what facts do you base that opinion on?but I think that the extent to which the media actually exercise control is often over-stated and that situation is largely an issue of decades ago
Lol, we've had donkey's years of remainers telling everyone how the car industry will move to thehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52829348
Who'd have thought ?
It's cut and dried in Barcelona, and Nissan confirm Sunderland is continuing.Read Simon Jack's analysis - its not cut and dried and up here thats still a threat over about 10k jobs in total something reflected in the views of the fold who work there.
Lol, we've had donkey's years of remainers telling everyone how the car industry will move to the
EU, yet another fail, to go with the immediate half million job losses and 10% tax rises.
The Sunderland plant is staying.
Try telling us something, anything, that isn't desperately fabricated nonsenseTry selling Nissans into the Eu when they're subject to tariffs ...... try assembling them when 70% of the parts come from the Eu .
Ireland: Tory MPs saying Northern Ireland should have a different corporation tax to the rest of the UK so as to compete with the Republic.Reports in the Irish press about concerns of how to gain access to the funds whilst avoiding having to sign up to the 'attached strings' - one example: EU controls over how Ireland sets its Corporation Tax
Unfortunately - most of the article is behind a paywall:
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/...if-we-are-to-avoid-tax-downside-39243165.html
A prominent Remainer on here recently exposed the naivety with which they view the EU with a statement that "The EU is not a major geo political power. The EU is a major trade power...." Yeah - the use of this pandemic to undertake a power grab and force further EU controls over the domestic policies of supposedly 'sovereign nations' is the behaviour a trading bloc.
The EU ideologists aspire to be a geopolitical power and seek to achieve control over each nation step by step - even the supposedly 'mighty Germany' is not free of the EU's tentacles:
https://www.gulf-times.com/story/664303/Germany-duels-with-EU-over-9-9bn-bailout-for-Lufth
Try telling us something, anything, that isn't desperately fabricated nonsense
made up on the fly.
That doesn't explain why Nissan would now prefer Sunderland to Barcelona.https://www.which.co.uk/news/2019/10/brexit-impact-on-cars-what-you-need-to-know/
Nissan, which has a strategic partnership alongside Renault and Mitsubishi, didn’t respond to our request to comment for this article, but it did announce worrying news last week. Nissan warned that a no-deal Brexit could make its European business model unsustainable. It said a 10% export tariff applied from a no-deal exit of the UK from the EU would put its entire European operations ‘in jeopardy’. It operates the UK’s biggest car plant in Sunderland with 7,000 staff, making the popular Nissan Qashqai and Nissan Juke, as well as the electric Nissan Leaf. The new-generation Nissan Juke, designed and manufactured in the UK, is specifically targeted at European markets. Two-thirds of its components come from the EU and 70% of production is destined for the continent.
Read more: https://www.which.co.uk/news/2019/10/brexit-impact-on-cars-what-you-need-to-know/ - Which?
That doesn't explain why Nissan would now prefer Sunderland to Barcelona.
Nearly a billion pounds in state aid might..
http://www.corporate-welfare-watch.org.uk/wp/2017/09/26/nissan-nearly-1bn-corporate-welfare/
Reports in the Irish press about concerns of how to gain access to the funds whilst avoiding having to sign up to the 'attached strings' - one example: EU controls over how Ireland sets its Corporation Tax
Unfortunately - most of the article is behind a paywall:
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/...if-we-are-to-avoid-tax-downside-39243165.html
A prominent Remainer on here recently exposed the naivety with which they view the EU with a statement that "The EU is not a major geo political power. The EU is a major trade power...." Yeah - the use of this pandemic to undertake a power grab and force further EU controls over the domestic policies of supposedly 'sovereign nations' is the behaviour a trading bloc.
The EU ideologists aspire to be a geopolitical power and seek to achieve control over each nation step by step - even the supposedly 'mighty Germany' is not free of the EU's tentacles:
https://www.gulf-times.com/story/664303/Germany-duels-with-EU-over-9-9bn-bailout-for-Lufth
Not sure how stating facts is ‘naivety’. Is that a Brexit thing? The EU is not a major geo political power because it has no competence in areas that would make it so ie Foreign, defence policy etc. The EU’s area is trade policy which it does project successfully beyond the borders of Europe.
That this pandemic may lead to an increase in EU competence is now looking likely. A coordinated health policy would have proven useful in a pandemic and with the desire to shorten production supply chains and have more control on health supplies will accelerate a common Europe wide health competence.
The recovery package, assuming it passes, will also formalise a more federalised monetary policy. The key point though is that like everything in the EU the member states have to agree on it happening and then make it happen. How federalised the EU becomes is in the gift of its sovereign members. Unless they agree on and vote for something to happen then it ain’t happening. Brexiteers never seem to grasp this point. UK politicians never seem to grasp it either hence Frost babbling that his letter was about trying to ‘alert European capitals about what the EU was demanding in negotiations’. European capitals already know. They are the ones who gave Barnier his fucking mandate in the negotiations. What they say goes. In four years of negotiations Brexiteers still haven’t grasped this basic fact.
Can the EU and it’s member states develop into a major geo-political power? Until now it has been content to let the US do the heavy lifting. However the US has disappeared up its own arse and China is filling the gap left by the US and it’s world view is not a pretty one so someone has to counter this with a more enlightened view. The major European countries are not keen on doing so but they are being increasingly forced to protect their interests overseas so again I see this crossroads moment in world leadership forcing the EU into exerting a bigger influence in foreign policy. Historically the EU has evolved faster in a crisis with the temporary becoming permanent. The pandemic and the US self immolating are the stimuli forcing this current evolution.
This leaves three European countries outside of the European norm. Russia, Belarus and the UK, we will assume the UK goes full Russia. How do these countries deal with an expanding EU and potentially a more coordinated EU in areas like foreign policy and defence? Belarus is in the Russian orbit and Russia is seen to be increasingly dependent on China given the EU countries won’t play ball with them. Ukrainian EU membership in 2024 will increase tensions and deepen Russian frustration that the EU never gave them the special status they felt was their right as a former superpower (echoes of the UK). China is now Russia’s biggest trade partner although Germany is still second despite EU sanctions.
If Russia gravitates into the Chinese camp I guess the only camp left for the UK (assuming it remains intact) is the US camp. China will be out given current tensions over HK, Covid-19, and the EU will be out given the Govt is now allergic to all things European despite our reliance on Europe. The Brexit playbook didn’t have it playing out like this. Our exit was meant to trigger the breakup of the EU and Global Britain would then lead the confused, weary nations of Europe out of the darkness and into the light blah, blah.
Personally I think we will be in the US camp but symbolically rather than practically. We will sign a US deal that yields some low hanging fruit and will it be hailed as a triumph In the same way we hailed our handling of the pandemic as a triumph (although not so much these days) and no doubt there will be some deal with the EU that allows us to keep the country running and it too will be hailed as a triumph no matter the actual substance.
Countries can live on pretence and slogans. It’s only when something serious turns up that it exposes the shallowness behind it and even then some people will still refuse to look behind the curtain.
Again using a global pandemic to bolster your opinion.Whilst I understand the sentiment about Greece - and yes they will get stuffed through more EU powers over the setting of domestic policy so that the EU can enforce reforms - I think the reality means that Greece will be the new norm.
Italy is the one that I feel most pity for
A Remainer recently was thinking they were being clever by suggesting that if the UK were still in the EU we would be a net recipient of this aid - again just evidencing their lack of understanding.
Yeah - that would have been good and left me in awe at the beatific nature of the EU (not)
So on the one hand we would have had the opportunity to (perhaps) receive some aid - subject to us signing up for more EU controls
Whilst on the other hand we get to give the EU increased funding over 30 years for their budget that will be required to manage the borrowing through the new MFF settlement
Are the diehards Remainers not able understand the implications?? The UK would be giving the EU the money through the MFF - some of which the EU may give us back to help us manage out recovery from CV - so long as we sign up to their increased controls over our key domestic policies.
"Money is set to come from unprecedented mass borrowing by the Commission against the EU budget. The Commission has put forward bond maturities of up to 30 years on which interest would be covered from the bloc's 2021-27 budget and the capital would be repaid by 2058.
The money to repay the bonds would come from EU budgets from 2028 onwards with usual member state fees, taxation and new possible levies on, for example, CO2 emissions or carbon footprints on imports...….."
https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-0...rillion-investment-plan-QRP4XAtLW0/index.html
You would have to be someone in complete thrall to the EU to see that scenario as a positive...
No thanks - I would rather that we fund ourselves and keep control of our own domestic policies
BTW - imagine what the divorce bill would be if say the referendum had been held in 2026 rather than 2016