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"A horde of hamsters."

You were having a bad time earlier, I can tell.
Don't worry, it's over now. :)
A bad time lol. The blokes a fool who got shown his arse after accusing me of saying something I clearly didnt say. Then he compounds his embarrassment by not admiting he was wrong. And then calls us hamsters. YCNMIU
 
A bad time lol. The blokes a fool who got shown his arse after accusing me of saying something I clearly didnt say. Then he compounds his embarrassment by not admiting he was wrong. And then calls us hamsters. YCNMIU
"Horde of hamsters"

Get it right, he was attacked by a "horde". And held his own! This'll be one to put in his campaign diaries.
 
"Hoard of hamsters"

Get it right, he was attacked by a "hoard". And held his own! This'll be one to put in his campaign diaries.
I get that people have different opinions. I actually enjoy a good debate, but when you make a clear false accusation just acknowledge it otherwise you look a fool.
 
I get that people have different opinions. I actually enjoy a good debate, but when you make a clear false accusation just acknowledge it otherwise you look a fool.
Theres no debate on this thread anymore.

Just bitter men venting over the decision to leave and their subsequent losses at the polling booth, which ensured the result, despite everything seemingly going their way.
Think of us as an emotional punching bag, providing a service to the enraged. :)
 
Theres no debate on this thread anymore.

Just bitter men venting over the decision to leave and their subsequent losses at the polling booth, which ensured the result, despite everything seemingly going their way.
Think of us as an emotional punching bag, providing a service to the enraged. :)
Haha very good. Some are very bitter thats for sure.
 
A deal shouldn't be a problem mate as we agreed the level playing field provisions in the Political Declaration.
N'est ce pas?
I see that as about as binding as Milan's commitment to sell Kaka to us;-)

It does make me smile - go back not too long and the Remainers on here were having a good old laugh about how the EU would probably offer the UK 'positive statements' in the PD - which of course would soon melt away once negotiations got underway

Of course that was when every day brought an opportunity to exult over the majesty of the EU and run the UK down

Its a funny old life
 
French ones especially.

The CAP won't be anywhere near as generous to them in future years.

Still it gives them a chance to burn some sheep I suppose.
I will see your French farmer and raise you an Irish one...

The UK will have the option to replace the CAP with whatever equivalent the UK likes for its farmers - and the EU will...…?
 
To recap, I said in a response to another poster, the EU were refusing to give us a deal like canada. You butted in, clearly didnt read what I said, accused me of saying something else that you had convinced yourself I said, no doubt you have checked back several times, i can just imagine your sad face when you actually read what i said. I then provided evidence to back up my statement about the EU. You change tact again and say its three months old, which is both irrelavant to your original accusation and the fact that the EUs stance hasnt changed. And you then have the temerity to accuse me of a lack of detail. Hahaha.

Your attempts to try and change the topic to suit your argument are laughable.

You are a fool and not man enough to admit you were wrong. Thats all I need to know about you. The forum Cummings.

The entirety of your argument is that the EU are not offering us a Canada type deal.

My detailed response was that we are not asking for a Canada type deal therefore your point is redundant. I do not berate my neighbour for failing to provide me with lemon cake when I am asking for coffee and walnut.

To date you have produced a three month old article and lurid imaginings about my sad face, which is a tad creepy but we will let it slide.

If you can’t address the substance of my rebuttal then just say and save everyone a lot of time.
 
No, you did no such thing, and haven't done all day.

You've revealed a lot about your motives;
- don't care about accurately quoting others
- interpret opinions as "factual statements"
- only here to cause arguments

That's a WUM, Fauxwalski

Well let us revisit shall we?

You stated

Those 27 sovereign nations will in time become 27 federal states. That is what the EU wants, it's not what it's members want, but those making decisions at sovereign levels are being replaced with EU sycophants who do, regardless of what the electorate of those nations want.

I said this was incorrect and that none of these EU sycophants, which you later named - Macron, Merkel and Varadkar - could turn their nation state into a EU federal state without the consent of the electorate given the constitutions of many of the 27 nation states.

Instead of just saying ‘yeah fair point’ you have spent the afternoon spinning nonsense. The weird thing is it’s not even a big deal. You made a throw away line, I corrected it. Who cares.

Instead we got hysterical blathering shite and lots of insults about character, class, Cummings (okay that’s the other bloke) so I have to ask why do you bother? What is this thin skinned over-sensitivity all about?

Just curious.
 
Well let us revisit shall we?

You stated



I said this was incorrect and that none of these EU sycophants like Macron and Merkel , which you later named - Macron, Merkel and Varadkar - could turn their nation state into a EU federal state without the consent of the electorate given the constitutions of many of the 27 nation states.

Instead of just saying ‘yeah fair point’ you have spent the afternoon spinning nonsense. The weird thing is it’s not even a big deal. You made a throw away line, I corrected it. Who cares.

Instead we got hysterical blathering shite and lots of insults about character, class, Cummings (okay that’s the other bloke) so I have to ask why do you bother? What is this thin skinned over-sensitivity all about?

Just curious.
I didn't refer to EU sycophants being European leaders like Macron and Merkel (even though they publicly stated they are in favour of a federal EU), I meant "sycophants" to mean the likes of you who vote in pro-EU federalist Lib Dem MEP's (as an example) who attend the EuroParl. The FBPE crowd, the remoaners, the rabid "leave voters are so stupid I can't post as much on here anymore or i'll get banned"...types. Those sorts of MEP's.

See, you only read things how you want to, make accusations instead of asking for a clarification. It's where you always mess up and where these pointless spats always originate, because you never ask, you just assume and then run with it, patting yourself on the back while the rest of us are just bemused by how much you missed the point and then invented your own claimign you've made a "correction" when there was nothing to correct other than your own misunderstanding.

Others have pointed this out yet, stubborn as ever, to you it's everyone else that's the problem.
 
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I would embrace it in the sure knowledge that any and all the difficulties that we will need to overcome in the future with regard to trade restrictions are fuck all when set against the future cataclysm that would have faced us if we had not been able to leave the EU

And what about the cataclysm the UK is heading for? A Cummings designed future?

Had a very busy day and tomorrow I'm off for a day fly fishing so no time to spend on here for a couple of days. Suffice to say I think the future of an independent UK is at best perilous, at worst hopelessly bleak. I haven't the energy to write more today as its just too depressing. With the current arrogant and dishonest incompetents in charge I would take being run by Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck never mind the EU.
 
I didn't refer to EU sycophants being European leaders, I meant "sycophants" to mean the likes of you who vote in pro-EU federalist Lib Dem MEP's (as an example). The FBPE crowd, the remoaners, the rabid "leave voters are so stupid I can't post as much on here anymore or i'll get banned"...types.

See, you only read things how you want to, make accusations instead of asking for a clarification. It's where you always mess up and where these pointless spats always originate, because you never ask, you just assume and then run with it, patting yourself on the back while the rest of us are just bemused by how much you missed the point and then invented your own claimign you've made a "correction" when there was nothing to correct other than your own misunderstanding.

Others have pointed this out yet, stubborn as ever, to you it's everyone else that's the problem.

No. You are doubling down to absurd levels. Your exact words were about ‘those making decisions at sovereign level ignoring the electorate’ ie leaders. You were not referring to the likes of me and it’s silly to now try and pretend otherwise.

I like to be precise in what I quote and the arguments I use and I don’t let you or others squirm, deflect, or insult your way out of it.

This afternoon could have been avoided by simply saying ‘fair point’. The same goes for the other posters on here who have also squirmed, deflected and insulted in the same manner.
 
You be careful - the next headline to keep Dom off the front pages is how Trout are in fact superspreaders
well I'll be as guilty as he is breaching lockdown. The official advice is we should travel no further than 5 miles to access outside sport like tennis, golf or fishing. I am, ahem, travelling just a little further than that. If my fishing prowess is as normal, the trout will be able to maintain safe social distancing from me :-)
 
No. You are doubling down to absurd levels. You were not referring to the likes of me and it’s silly to now try and pretend otherwise.

I like to be precise in what I quote and the arguments I use and I don’t let you or others squirm, deflect, or insult your way out of it.

This afternoon could have been avoided by simply saying ‘fair point’. The same goes for the other posters on here who have also squirmed, deflected and insulted in the same manner.
I'm just going to repeat the last line again.
Others have pointed this out yet, stubborn as ever, to you it's everyone else that's the problem.
That's why there's no point debating with you, you'll read whatever you want to anyway. Look right here, prime example;

"Your exact words were about ‘those making decisions at sovereign level ignoring the electorate’ ie leaders."

No, NOT the leaders Fauxwalski, the MEP's, the ones in EuroParl. Could have asked if I meant "European leaders" or the "MEP's", but no. You assume, believe yourself to be correct, get told you've misunderstood, then claim the other poster is "doubling down".

You should have taken your own advice with several posters today, maybe the horde of hamsters wouldn't have been so many had you just siad "fair enough, I misunderstood", but you can't bring yourself to show "weakness", can you.
 
I'm just going to repeat the last line again.

That's why there's no point debating with you, you'll read whatever you want to anyway. Look right here, prime example;

"Your exact words were about ‘those making decisions at sovereign level ignoring the electorate’ ie leaders."

No, NOT the leaders Fauxwalski, the MEP's, the ones in EuroParl. Could have asked if I meant "European leaders" or the "MEP's", but no. You assume, believe yourself to be correct, get told you've misunderstood, then claim the other poster is "doubling down".

You should have taken your own advice with several posters today, maybe the horde of hamsters wouldn't have been so many.

Ah so now it’s not me or the likes of me, it’s now MEPs. You are changing your argument by the minute. And seriously MEPs have zero power in moving nation states to a federalised basis and riding roughshod over the electorate. They barely have the power to order bog roll.

The dumb thing is the only point I made is the factual one that the nation states of Europe can only move to federalisation with the consent of the electorate and that ignoring the electorate is not an option. Instead of acknowledging this as correct you have created an afternoon of fuckwittery. And for what? Refusal to accept a relatively minor point on one of your posts.
 
Ah so now it’s not me or the likes of me, it’s now MEPs. You are changing your argument by the minute. And seriously MEPs have zero power in moving nation states to a federalised basis and riding roughshod over the electorate. They barely have the power to order bog roll.

The dumb thing is the only point I made is the factual one that the nation states of Europe can only move to federalisation with the consent of the electorate and that ignoring the electorate is not an option. Instead of acknowledging this as correct you have created an afternoon of fuckwittery. And for what? Refusal to accept a relatively minor point on one of your posts.
I'm "adding" more information to give you the clarification you desperately seek: I know how you like accuracy and twisting words.

Your obssession over these "minor point in a posts" has led you to argue, incorrectly, for the entire day. For what? Who benefits? You thought you had a gotcha? I've explained you've misunderstood, and yet you labour under the delusion you've corrected someone on something you've just stated you think is a "minor point". Think on that. The only one who has cared this much has been you, and you're still misunderstanding!
 
Do you practice at being this dense Cummings, or does it come naturally?

Recap. I said the EU had stated they wouldnt give the UK a canada type deal.

You butted in and said the UK wernt asking for a canada type deal. You then accused me of saying I had said they we were asking for a canada type deal. Which clearly I did not. I gave you proof to back up my statement that the EU would not agree to give the UK a canada type deal.

Now please try and provide a quote from anywhere in the conversation we have had today to disprove the above is not correct? When you realise you cant I sugest you give up and admit defeat cummings if anything for the good of your own sanity.
 
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