Another new Brexit thread

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well let us revisit shall we?

You stated



I said this was incorrect and that none of these EU sycophants, which you later named - Macron, Merkel and Varadkar - could turn their nation state into a EU federal state without the consent of the electorate given the constitutions of many of the 27 nation states.

Instead of just saying ‘yeah fair point’ you have spent the afternoon spinning nonsense. The weird thing is it’s not even a big deal. You made a throw away line, I corrected it. Who cares.

Instead we got hysterical blathering shite and lots of insults about character, class, Cummings (okay that’s the other bloke) so I have to ask why do you bother? What is this thin skinned over-sensitivity all about?

Just curious.

You are called cummings because you wont admit you are wrong, in that regard you are very similar in character arnt you?

 

[Ric]

You are called cummings because you wont admit you are wrong, in that regard you are very similar in character arnt you?

It’s a pretty lame insult, tbf.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It’s a pretty lame insult, tbf.

Not supposed to be an insult, I would call it more of a label.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Not supposed to be an insult, I would call it more of a label.

Thought you weren’t into pigeonholing?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Whether the EU implodes or not is 50/50 - but Bob has become odds on

interestingly it was 100% a few years ago - You was dead certain we must leave as the EU will implode - i got bored of challenging you when roughly when this would be as clearly you didn’t have a clue

 

[BobKowalski]

Do you practice at being this dense Cummings, or does it come naturally?

Recap. I said the EU had stated they wouldnt give the UK a canada type deal.

You butted in and said the UK wernt asking for a canada type deal. You then accused me of saying I had said they we were asking for a canada type deal. Which clearly I did not. I gave you proof to back up my statement that the EU would not agree to give the UK a canada type deal.

Now please try and provide a quote from anywhere in the conversation we have had today to disprove the above is not correct? When you realise you cant I sugest you give up and admit defeat cummings if anything for the good of your own sanity.

As it seems my whole lemon cake/coffee and walnut cake analogy didn’t make an impression I guess we will have to do this dance all over again. Below is what you actually said

Its apparent to me and many others in this high stakes game of poker that the EU have been forced to show their hand. Asking for an extension, and refusing to give the uk the same trading relationship as Canada and japan. Their can be only one reason for both of these decisions. They fear and believe that the UK will do better on a no deal or with that trading relationship than countries in europe. There is no other rationale really. If we are so weak and feeble why would they be bothered.

My reply (abridged, I’ve cut out some of the bits where I am a total sarky ****) was

‘....I will say this next bit slowly as it may come as a bit of a shock. The UK has not asked for a deal like Japan or Canada. There are complex reasons for this so you may want to make a cup of tea or something to help digest this next nugget of information. The UK is not Japan or Canada. Whoa. Big news I know but it is true. Japan and Canada are actually different countries and, you will like this next bit, they are far, far away and the UK is very, very close to the EU...(okay some of the sarky **** bits are left in)

...So when you say the EU will not offer the UK a deal like Canada or Japan you will now appreciate a large part of the reason why is because we haven’t asked for a deal like Canada or Japan.’

My issue with you post was your contention that they only reason for the EU not to offer a Canada type deal was out of fear. You stated ‘there is no other rationale’. Aha I think to myself there is another rationale namely the UK hasn’t asked for one. So full of vim and vigour I point this out.

Now foolishly (bad, silly Bob) I assumed that this was a really fucking good reason not to offer a Canada type deal. After all why offer lemon cake when the customer is asking for coffee and walnut (I am determined to make this cake thing work).

But no. Apparently not. Oh how young and naive I was to think this. Nevertheless despite the stunning revelation of a three month old article I am going to stick with it and say that there is another rationale other than craven fear in not offering a Canada type deal. And that is we would really like coffee and walnut cake.

 

[BobKowalski]

I'm "adding" more information to give you the clarification you desperately seek: I know how you like accuracy and twisting words.

Your obssession over these "minor point in a posts" has led you to argue, incorrectly, for the entire day. For what? Who benefits? You thought you had a gotcha? I've explained you've misunderstood, and yet you labour under the delusion you've corrected someone on something you've just stated you think is a "minor point". Think on that. The only one who has cared this much has been you, and you're still misunderstanding!

Well it’s very sweet of you to ‘add’ more information in your third or fourth attempt to explain your post, but leaving this aside I would draw your attention to your post which I have highlighted (just to be clear that’s the bit in bold) and ask you to ponder these words for a few minutes then go and have a long fucking look in the mirror.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

As it seems my whole lemon cake/coffee and walnut cake analogy didn’t make an impression I guess we will have to do this dance all over again. Below is what you actually said



My reply (abridged, I’ve cut out some of the bits where I am a total sarky ****) was

‘....I will say this next bit slowly as it may come as a bit of a shock. The UK has not asked for a deal like Japan or Canada. There are complex reasons for this so you may want to make a cup of tea or something to help digest this next nugget of information. The UK is not Japan or Canada. Whoa. Big news I know but it is true. Japan and Canada are actually different countries and, you will like this next bit, they are far, far away and the UK is very, very close to the EU...(okay some of the sarky **** bits are left in)

...So when you say the EU will not offer the UK a deal like Canada or Japan you will now appreciate a large part of the reason why is because we haven’t asked for a deal like Canada or Japan.’

My issue with you post was your contention that they only reason for the EU not to offer a Canada type deal was out of fear. You stated ‘there is no other rationale’. Aha I think to myself there is another rationale namely the UK hasn’t asked for one. So full of vim and vigour I point this out.

Now foolishly (bad, silly Bob) I assumed that this was a really fucking good reason not to offer a Canada type deal. After all why offer lemon cake when the customer is asking for coffee and walnut (I am determined to make this cake thing work).

But no. Apparently not. Oh how young and naive I was to think this. Nevertheless despite the stunning revelation of a three month old article I am going to stick with it and say that there is another rationale other than craven fear in not offering a Canada type deal. And that is we would really like coffee and walnut cake.

So that was a no then! a rather long winded no but you couldnt manage to find a quote. You put in your assumptions, but couldnt back up your bull****. Give it up Cummings!

 

[BobKowalski]

So that was a no then! a rather long winded no but you couldnt manage to find a quote. You put in your assumptions, but couldnt back up your bull****. Give it up Cummings!

I will regret this I know but a quote for what? I mean we have gone all the way back to the source. You stated there was no other rationale. I state there was. I even did the cake thing, so and I mean this with all due respect. What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I will regret this I know but a quote for what? I mean we have gone all the way back to the source. You stated there was no other rationale. I state there was. I even did the cake thing, so and I mean this with all due respect. What the fuck are you talking about?

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Recap I said the EU had stated they wouldnt give the UK a canada type deal.

You butted in and said the UK wernt asking for a canada type deal. You then accused me of saying I had said they we were asking for a canada type deal. Which clearly I did not. I gave you proof to back up my statement that the EU would not agree to give the UK a canada type deal.

Now please try and provide a quote from anywhere in the conversation we have had today to disprove the above is not correct? When you realise you cant I sugest you give up and admit defeat cummings if anything for the good of your own sanity.

The above cummings !
Provide a quote that disputes the above. A direct quote from me. Not one of your analogies or assumptions a quote. ! A quote is evidence, your assumptions and analogies are not.

We both know you are simply unable to! Otherwise you would have done so. You are a fool cummings but a stubborn one I will give you that. Anyway im bored of this, so have a good evening/weekend.

 

[Metal Biker]

Well it’s very sweet of you to ‘add’ more information in your third or fourth attempt to explain your post, but leaving this aside I would draw your attention to your post which I have highlighted (just to be clear that’s the bit in bold) and ask you to ponder these words for a few minutes then go and have a long fucking look in the mirror.

So you're not even addressing the point that was made anymore or accept you've misunderstood.

As for the "take a long look in the mirror" comment; 'so the melodrama!'

It probably sounded really impressive when you hit enter, didn't it. ;)

 

[BobKowalski]

The above cummings !
Provide a quote that disputes the above. A direct quote from me. Not one of your analogies or assumptions a quote. ! A quote is evidence, your assumptions and analogies are not.

We both know you are simply unable to! Otherwise you would have done so. You are a fool cummings but a stubborn one I will give you that. Anyway im bored of this, so have a good evening/weekend.

Well okay, if we go back to the source ie you

Its apparent to me and many others in this high stakes game of poker that the EU have been forced to show their hand. Asking for an extension, and refusing to give the uk the same trading relationship as Canada and japan. Their can be only one reason for both of these decisions. They fear and believe that the UK will do better on a no deal or with that trading relationship than countries in europe. There is no other rationale really. If we are so weak and feeble why would they be bothered.

The bit in bold is you saying that we wanted a deal giving us the same trading relationship as Canada and Japan and it was being refused due to fear and there was no other rationale. You actually equated it to a high stakes game of poker and two of our chips where no extension and a Canada type deal. A deal that means ‘UK will do better’ than other countries in Europe.

 

[BobKowalski]

So you're not even addressing the point that was made anymore or accept you've misunderstood.

As for the "take a long look in the mirror" comment; 'so the melodrama!'

It probably sounded really impressive when you hit enter, didn't it. ;)

Actually I did with the subtle sarky bit about this being your ‘third or fourth attempt to explain your post’.

I take it the ‘look in the mirror’ bit was lost on you as well. Ah well. Horses to water and all that.

 

[Metal Biker]

Actually I did with the subtle sarky bit about this being your ‘third or fourth attempt to explain your post’.

I take it the ‘look in the mirror’ bit was lost on you as well. Ah well. Horses to water and all that.

Great brexit discussion. But you're not on this thread for that.

 

[Ric]

Great brexit discussion. But you're not on this thread for that.

Didn’t you keep posting “OK boomer” last week? Not sure you have the moral high ground here.

 

[Metal Biker]

Didn’t you keep posting “OK boomer” last week? Not sure you have the moral high ground here.

Yet i've been insulted by others and you said nothing. Every time you always single out the same people and say nothing to others who do the same. I wonder why that is.

FYI "OK Boomer" is a reaction to those who post in a certain way. Typically those who say things that are disconnected with the current generation by discrediting them. It's a modern day "whatever" , similar to what the Gen X'ers used to say. Anyone can say something "boomerish". Somehow I knew it'd get particular types backs up. These lads don't need protection, surely.

(wasn't 'gammon' laughed off as not offensive on here? Moral high ground not so high, eh?)

 

[Ric]

Yet i've been insulted by others and you said nothing. Every time you always single out the same people and say nothing to others who do the same. I wonder why that is.

Because you use terms like “ok boomer”. My kids say that to me as an insult, but they’re just children. Seeing an adult say it is, well, a bit tragic. I’d say the same if a remainer had said it to you.

 

[Metal Biker]

Because you use terms like “ok boomer”. My kids say that to me as an insult, but they’re just children. Seeing an adult say it is, well, a bit tragic. I’d say the same if a remainer had said it to you.

Would you

Did you when people objected to being called gammon as they found it offensive?

 

[Ric]

Would you

Yes, of course. I doubt anyone else would actually do it, mind you.

 

[Metal Biker]

Yes, of course. I doubt anyone else would actually do it, mind you.

Did you when people objected to being called gammon?

I seem to recall you argued it wasn't offensive in your eyes.

Did you when someone insulted my mental health issues?

Did you when someone hoped I died in a house fire?