bluethrunthru
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Given the recent discourse on this thread I think I am well within my rights to call Brendan O'Neill pure Gammon
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I am not sure that is true - I am sure that there is more than just me gaining some satisfaction from watching you squirm as you demonstrate that you have patently made a false claim and have not the character to simply 'fess upYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnn - you bore me - in fact you bore us all.
Anyway - I do not need to out you for your lack of character and habit of posting bollocks - you have done that admirably yourself
Soooo - back on topic - objective and independent analysis is starting to consider the EU's much vaunted recovery funding to be perhaps a bit smoke and mirrors:
"...…….......Some celebrate the European Commission’s €750bn budget increase as a “Hamiltonian moment”, in reference to the first US Treasury secretary who brokered a historic compromise in 1790 for America’s federal government to take over the debt of the states. Others dismiss it as too little, too late. Neither of these views captures its true nature.
I have noted that commentators and Brussels-based journalists often fall for big headline numbers that conflate categories such as grants, loans and spending capacity. The commission is a willing accomplice in this obfuscation. The official document that accompanied last week’s announcement lists the total investment that could be generated as €3.1tn. Numbers like these are meant to impress the gullible. It’s the statistical sleight of hand you might expect from a disreputable election campaign.
The commission says that €500bn of the proposed €750bn comes in the form of grants, and €250bn in loans. The loans are economically irrelevant, since there is no shortage of low interest rate borrowing for the private sector. The grants are what matters.
But beware. Not everything that is called a grant constitutes a fiscal transaction. Some of these grants are used to generate lending. By my calculations, the fiscally-relevant part of the package is a little over €400bn. Of that, the main part is the recovery fund, worth €310bn over four years, plus an extra €11.5bn this year.
Dividing the €310bn recovery fund equally over four years, I arrive at an annual fiscal boost of 0.6 per cent of the EU’s 2019 gross domestic product. This is not nothing. But if you still want your Hamiltonian moment, you will have to look elsewhere."
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/06/eu-stimulus-fakery-as-brexit-stumbles-forward.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+NakedCapitalism+(naked+capitalism)
Not often that I disagree with you, but in this case...……...Im not so sure they would. The Brexit issue appears to cross party lines imo. Its clear that many on this forum are vehemently opposed to leaving the EU, I beleive that many would have voted LD. But an interesting concept.
Yes - I agree that Brexit cuts across party lines - there are (what I consider to be) 'normal/traditional' Labour voters, like @blueinsa and myself who strongly support Leave - and I think that you are a Conservative voter? and there are other Conservative voters that have supported Leave. Meanwhile there are other Conservative voters such as @Chippy_boy who strongly supported Remain.
So all that underpins your view - but that is different to the point that I am/was making, which is....
Some of the main posters on the political threads - both in volume of posts and extremity of views, are hard-left acolytes. Or at least that is how they see themselves - as I have mentioned earlier on the Johnson thread I do not think that they really understand what being a Socialist actually entails - let's say - they are 'faux' hard-left.
But..... this means - and it is clearly evidenced by their attitudes and posts - that they are more obsessed (or at least were) with hating all things Tory and salivating over all things Corbyn/McDonnell that I am very confident that my statements that you disagreed with are in fact true.
That is because I am talking about this forum and these posters - not the real world
The ones that I have in mind would be ardent Brexit supporters had Corbyn led a Leave campaign as PM in 2015/16** I am sure. This also explains why so often there is not much evidence of them having any understanding of the subject of Brexit reflected in their posts - it is just another anti-Tory platform for some of them
** for the disingenuous/hard of thinking/pedants - I am of course here being hypothetical to make a point/inconvenient truth
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bluethrunthru
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I am not sure that is true - I am sure that there is more than just me gaining some satisfaction from watching you squirm as you demonstrate that you have patently made a false claim and have not the character to simply 'fess up
Anyway - I do not need to out you for your lack of character and habit of posting bollocks - you have done that admirably yourself
Soooo - back on topic - objective and independent analysis is starting to consider the EU's much vaunted recovery funding to be perhaps a bit smoke and mirrors:
"...…….......Some celebrate the European Commission’s €750bn budget increase as a “Hamiltonian moment”, in reference to the first US Treasury secretary who brokered a historic compromise in 1790 for America’s federal government to take over the debt of the states. Others dismiss it as too little, too late. Neither of these views captures its true nature.
I have noted that commentators and Brussels-based journalists often fall for big headline numbers that conflate categories such as grants, loans and spending capacity. The commission is a willing accomplice in this obfuscation. The official document that accompanied last week’s announcement lists the total investment that could be generated as €3.1tn. Numbers like these are meant to impress the gullible. It’s the statistical sleight of hand you might expect from a disreputable election campaign.
The commission says that €500bn of the proposed €750bn comes in the form of grants, and €250bn in loans. The loans are economically irrelevant, since there is no shortage of low interest rate borrowing for the private sector. The grants are what matters.
But beware. Not everything that is called a grant constitutes a fiscal transaction. Some of these grants are used to generate lending. By my calculations, the fiscally-relevant part of the package is a little over €400bn. Of that, the main part is the recovery fund, worth €310bn over four years, plus an extra €11.5bn this year.
Dividing the €310bn recovery fund equally over four years, I arrive at an annual fiscal boost of 0.6 per cent of the EU’s 2019 gross domestic product. This is not nothing. But if you still want your Hamiltonian moment, you will have to look elsewhere."
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/06/eu-stimulus-fakery-as-brexit-stumbles-forward.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+NakedCapitalism+(naked+capitalism)
You need to learn to be concise and get a life off line
Gareth Barry Conlon
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You need to learn to be concise and get a life off line
I never read any of these rambling posts and especially when the one poster is replying 5x more than anyone else on the thread. If i wanted to read a brexiteers blog i would go and find one.
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EditedI never read any of these rambling posts and especially when the one poster is replying 5x more than anyone else on the thread. If i wanted to read a brexiteers blog i would go and find a coherent one.
?????? Says the poster that:You need to learn to be concise and get a life off line
- spends far more time on the politics sub-forum than me
- makes far more posts on the sub-forum than me
- has demonstrated that he has a tendency to just jump in and make inaccurate claims
- has demonstrated the lack of character to simply accept^^^^^^^^^^^ and move on
On that last point - what is it with you fellas - admitting you were wrong is not gong to attract some major embarrassment - that is far more the case if you just 'runaway'
TBF - I will concede that your posts do tend to be shorter in length than mine - very often entirely content free!!
Anyway - back on topic - and let's see if we can get some content from you.....
What is your assessment of the likely balance of the EU's recovery budget in terms of loans or grants?
What do you feel are likely to be the main strings attached to the allocation of support?
Be interesting to debate some substance with you - who knows, perhaps @BlueHammer85 will be back to accept the invitation to actually add some substance as well
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You do know that nobody at all - not one person I guess - fails to know that you are - let's say being: 'economical with the truth' don't you?Couldn’t be arsed reading it. Is it worth me knowing a summary as he tagged me in it? Probably some shit about stalking I would guess.
Now some posters might choose to deny their recognition of this truth - but that does not change the reality
Man-up and put me on ignore as I have often requested - or just continue to bitch and make snide comments on the side. But, just a bit of feedback - you do seem to put a lot of effort into demanding that you do not read my posts and that my posts do not bother you
Hardly a day goes past without such an statement from you - TBF, it really is a bit obsessive mate, almost as if you read every word and they really grate with you. I suggest that you get a life, I am not worthy of your obsession.
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west didsblue
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Did someone fart in here?
bluethrunthru
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?????? Says the poster that:
- spends far more time on the politics sub-forum than me
- makes far more posts on the sub-forum than me
- has demonstrated that he has a tendency to just jump in and make inaccurate claims
- has demonstrated the lack of character to simply accept^^^^^^^^^^^ and move on
On that last point - what is it with you fellas - admitting you were wrong is not gong to attract some major embarrassment - that is far more the case if you just 'runaway'
TBF - I will concede that your posts do tend to be shorter in length than mine - often content free
Anyway - back on topic - and let's see if we can get some content from you.....
What is your assessment of the likely balance of the EU's recovery budget in terms of loans or grants?
What do you feel are likely to be the main strings attached to the allocation of support?
Be interesting to debate some substance with you - who knows, perhaps @BlueHammer85 will be back to accept the invitation to actually add some substance as well
Couldn't really be arsed fella - as I say you bore me. Simply writing hundreds and thousands of words is you trying to convince yourself that you are right - carry on - knock yourself out doing it but be aware almost nobody is reading them. i only read the 1st and last para's and you were addressing me - thats the (lack of ) effect you have.
Gareth Barry Conlon
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Did someone fart in here?
I think they followed through.
Fixed the last sentence but seeing 75% of momentum members wanted to Remain I'm not sure the fantasy "truth" has any bearing to well, for want of a better word, the truth.Not often that I disagree with you, but in this case...……...
Yes - I agree that Brexit cuts across party lines - there are (what I consider to be) 'normal/traditional' Labour voters, like @blueinsa and myself who strongly support Leave - and I think that you are a Conservative voter? and there are other Conservative voters that have supported Leave. Meanwhile there are other Conservative voters such as @Chippy_boy who strongly supported Remain.
So all that underpins your view - but that is different to the point that I am/was making, which is....
Some of the main posters on the political threads - both in volume of posts and extremity of views, are hard-left acolytes. Or at least that is how they see themselves - as I have mentioned earlier on the Johnson thread I do not think that they really understand what being a Socialist actually entails - let's say - they are 'faux' hard-left.
But..... this means - and it is clearly evidenced by their attitudes and posts - that they are more obsessed (or at least were) with hating all things Tory and salivating over all things Corbyn/McDonnell that I am very confident that my statements that you disagreed with are in fact true.
That is because I am talking about this forum and these posters - not the real world
The ones that I have in mind would be ardent Brexit supporters had Corbyn led a Leave campaign as PM in 2015/16** I am sure. This also explains why so often there is not much evidence of them having any understanding of the subject of Brexit reflected in their posts - it is just another anti-Tory platform for some of them
** for the disingenuous/hard of thinking/pedants - I am of course here being pathetic to make a point/inconvenient truth
Is this going to be the next great bolded boring "inconvenient truth" for weeks?
I think we all know we're here because of "Numbers like £350m a week meant to impress the gullible".I am not sure that is true - I am sure that there is more than just me gaining some satisfaction from watching you squirm as you demonstrate that you have patently made a false claim and have not the character to simply 'fess up
Anyway - I do not need to out you for your lack of character and habit of posting bollocks - you have done that admirably yourself
Soooo - back on topic - objective and independent analysis is starting to consider the EU's much vaunted recovery funding to be perhaps a bit smoke and mirrors:
"...…….......Some celebrate the European Commission’s €750bn budget increase as a “Hamiltonian moment”, in reference to the first US Treasury secretary who brokered a historic compromise in 1790 for America’s federal government to take over the debt of the states. Others dismiss it as too little, too late. Neither of these views captures its true nature.
I have noted that commentators and Brussels-based journalists often fall for big headline numbers that conflate categories such as grants, loans and spending capacity. The commission is a willing accomplice in this obfuscation. The official document that accompanied last week’s announcement lists the total investment that could be generated as €3.1tn. Numbers like these are meant to impress the gullible. It’s the statistical sleight of hand you might expect from a disreputable election campaign.
The commission says that €500bn of the proposed €750bn comes in the form of grants, and €250bn in loans. The loans are economically irrelevant, since there is no shortage of low interest rate borrowing for the private sector. The grants are what matters.
But beware. Not everything that is called a grant constitutes a fiscal transaction. Some of these grants are used to generate lending. By my calculations, the fiscally-relevant part of the package is a little over €400bn. Of that, the main part is the recovery fund, worth €310bn over four years, plus an extra €11.5bn this year.
Dividing the €310bn recovery fund equally over four years, I arrive at an annual fiscal boost of 0.6 per cent of the EU’s 2019 gross domestic product. This is not nothing. But if you still want your Hamiltonian moment, you will have to look elsewhere."
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/06/eu-stimulus-fakery-as-brexit-stumbles-forward.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+NakedCapitalism+(naked+capitalism)
That's the trouble with the idle rich.You need to learn to be concise and get a life off line
I'll do some debating on this (i.e. disguise some cut and paste economics) if you debate the price of fish.?????? Says the poster that:
- spends far more time on the politics sub-forum than me
- makes far more posts on the sub-forum than me
- has demonstrated that he has a tendency to just jump in and make inaccurate claims
- has demonstrated the lack of character to simply accept^^^^^^^^^^^ and move on
On that last point - what is it with you fellas - admitting you were wrong is not gong to attract some major embarrassment - that is far more the case if you just 'runaway'
TBF - I will concede that your posts do tend to be shorter in length than mine - very often entirely content free!!
Anyway - back on topic - and let's see if we can get some content from you.....
What is your assessment of the likely balance of the EU's recovery budget in terms of loans or grants?
What do you feel are likely to be the main strings attached to the allocation of support?
Be interesting to debate some substance with you - who knows, perhaps @BlueHammer85 will be back to accept the invitation to actually add some substance as well
bluethrunthru
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when things become so absurd they defy belief
journolud
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when things become so absurd they defy belief
Are you sure that’s not from Viz?
Did someone fart in here?
Love these couple of posts - I use to say exacly this sort of thingI think they followed through.
Oh - how the boys quickly put their hands over the mouths to try to stifle their laugh for fear of getting a whack of Mr Garnett.
Thanks for putting me in mind of childhood memories
Fuck I am so determined not to reply to your posts - and...….Fixed the last sentence but seeing 75% of momentum members wanted to Remain I'm not sure the fantasy "truth" has any bearing to well, for want of a better word, the truth.
Is this going to be the next great bolded boring "inconvenient truth" for weeks?
Fuck - you are so obviously butt-hurt from not getting a response - but as I have already lapsed today I will just seek to offer you further help - by pointing out (again):
your inability to read the post you are replying to and
your disingenuous habit of not replying to something that I said but something that you want to say......
You say: "Fixed the last sentence but seeing 75% of momentum members wanted to Remain......"
So - what's that got to do with my post - the answer.....NOTHING!!
There were clues in my post............
"......Some of the main posters on the political threads - both in volume of posts and extremity of views, are hard-left acolytes. Or at least that is how they see themselves - as I have mentioned earlier on the Johnson thread I do not think that they really understand what being a Socialist actually entails - let's say - they are 'faux' hard-left."
and:
".....That is because I am talking about this forum and these posters - not the real world
The ones that I have in mind would be ardent Brexit supporters had Corbyn led a Leave campaign as PM in 2015/16** I am sure. This also explains why so often there is not much evidence of them having any understanding of the subject of Brexit reflected in their posts - it is just another anti-Tory platform for some of them........"
Oh hum - at least I should say a quick thank you for demostrating to me why I try never to reply to your posts (becuase of your deceitful tendencies) and I am sure that I am not alone in being grateful for the reminder
It's remarkable how much time I can make you waste by a bit of skim reading and focusing on a bit of your nonsense. But I've not read a word of that.Fuck I am so determined not to reply to your posts - and...….
Fuck - you are so obviously butt-hurt from not getting a response - but as I have already lapsed today I will just seek to offer you further help - by pointing out (again):
your inability to read the post you are replying to and
your disingenuous habit of not replying to something that I said but something that you want to say......
You say: "Fixed the last sentence but seeing 75% of momentum members wanted to Remain......"
So - what's that got to do with my post - the answer.....NOTHING!!
There were clues in my post............
"......Some of the main posters on the political threads - both in volume of posts and extremity of views, are hard-left acolytes. Or at least that is how they see themselves - as I have mentioned earlier on the Johnson thread I do not think that they really understand what being a Socialist actually entails - let's say - they are 'faux' hard-left."
and:
".....That is because I am talking about this forum and these posters - not the real world
The ones that I have in mind would be ardent Brexit supporters had Corbyn led a Leave campaign as PM in 2015/16** I am sure. This also explains why so often there is not much evidence of them having any understanding of the subject of Brexit reflected in their posts - it is just another anti-Tory platform for some of them........"
Oh hum - at least I should say a quick thank you for demostrating to me why I try never to reply to your posts (becuase of your deceitful tendencies) and I am sure that I am not alone in being grateful for the reminder
I bet it had nothing about fish.
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