Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

How is being in the EU being forced down your throat? Are you forced to eat croissants, goulash and sauerkraut? Are Fish & Chip shops banned. Do you get served Amstel in half litre glasses. Have you been told to drive on the right?
How about telling us just one tangible thing that will change for you on 1 Feb.

We won't be in the European Union anymore.

How about giving us one criticism of the EU that you share with leavers.

 

[west didsblue]

We won't be in the European Union anymore.

How about giving us one criticism of the EU that you share with leavers.

The common agricultural policy is not fit for purpose.

Now tell us what you will be able to do differently on 1 Feb that the EU was controlling the day before.

 

[Metal Biker]

The common agricultural policy is not fit for purpose.

Now tell us what you will be able to do differently on 1 Feb that the EU was controlling the day before.

 

[bluethrunthru]

French Empire tried it in 1802, ultimately failed.
Fought each other in 1870.
German Empire tried it in 1914, ultimately failed.
Third Reich tried it in 1939, ultimately failed.

Ahh, but how about we try it...together...with diplomacy and economics!?

[URL='https://twitter.com/JamesMelville']James Melville@JamesMelvill[/URL]


“They are willing to give up free trade with 27 European countries and 40 other countries around the world. It’s already costing them more than their entire membership fees over the past 47 years. And all they want back in return is blue passports that are made in France.”




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[Metal Biker]

James Melville@JamesMelvill


“They are willing to give up free trade with 27 European countries and 40 other countries around the world. It’s already costing them more than their entire membership fees over the past 47 years. And all they want back in return is blue passports that are made in France.”




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[Vic]

Not sure what you mean by scare stories, but I can tell you I worked with EU ppl for three years on the banking directives. In 8 countries, i worked with bankers, central bankers, regulators, specialist press, management consultants, EU Civil servants etc etc. There was almost unanimity amongst the movers and shakers that the future was a federal European state, with an army, diplomatic corps, foreign policy, a single currency, fiscal union, etc etc.
Some examples: Lisbon treaty made Euro obligatory (except UK and Denmark as per Maastrict).
After the financial crisis, southern countries were in a mess. EU solution was a version of austerity that made our own look like a tea party. Greece, Spain 35% unemployment, 50% youth unemployment etc.
And Why? To save the Euro and the German banks whose lending had fuelled the spending spree and were now hopelessly exposed. Why save German banks? Because the ECB took the view that German bank failure would endanger the project, so throw Greece particularly under a bus. Read Varoufakis on the subject.
I spoke to hundreds of ppl on the project and a Euro super state was the clear agenda. Whether ppl find that scary, is up to them.
Edit PS. With the anti americanism of the French (not to mention anti British feeling) and the willingness of the Germans to bulldoze anybody who got in their way, plus indifference to suffering in the developing world caused by the customs union, they scared the shit out of me.

Would that be the Varoufakis who spoke about the inanity of putting stopping freedom of movement above the interests of British industry, agriculture and universities?

And who reckoned our GE was between different visions for the UK: "One that is distinctly neoliberal and dedicated to extending the model of a low-wage, low-productivity, light regulation Singapore-like country. And another vision that will keep the UK in or very close to the EU while leading Europe down the much needed path toward a genuine, well-funded, progressive Green New Deal."
He wanted the latter, but we've got the former.

 

[blueinsa]

Not sure what you mean by scare stories, but I can tell you I worked with EU ppl for three years on the banking directives. In 8 countries, i worked with bankers, central bankers, regulators, specialist press, management consultants, EU Civil servants etc etc. There was almost unanimity amongst the movers and shakers that the future was a federal European state, with an army, diplomatic corps, foreign policy, a single currency, fiscal union, etc etc.
Some examples: Lisbon treaty made Euro obligatory (except UK and Denmark as per Maastrict).
After the financial crisis, southern countries were in a mess. EU solution was a version of austerity that made our own look like a tea party. Greece, Spain 35% unemployment, 50% youth unemployment etc.
And Why? To save the Euro and the German banks whose lending had fuelled the spending spree and were now hopelessly exposed. Why save German banks? Because the ECB took the view that German bank failure would endanger the project, so throw Greece particularly under a bus. Read Varoufakis on the subject.
I spoke to hundreds of ppl on the project and a Euro super state was the clear agenda. Whether ppl find that scary, is up to them.
Edit PS. With the anti americanism of the French (not to mention anti British feeling) and the willingness of the Germans to bulldoze anybody who got in their way, plus indifference to suffering in the developing world caused by the customs union, they scared the shit out of me.

Yeah you're entirely the wrong type of expert I'm afraid mate ;-)

Completely agree btw.

 

[KS55]

Would that be the Varoufakis who spoke about the inanity of putting stopping freedom of movement above the interests of British industry, agriculture and universities?

And who reckoned our GE was between different visions for the UK: "One that is distinctly neoliberal and dedicated to extending the model of a low-wage, low-productivity, light regulation Singapore-like country. And another vision that will keep the UK in or very close to the EU while leading Europe down the much needed path toward a genuine, well-funded, progressive Green New Deal."
He wanted the latter, but we've got the former.

It would be one and the same.
Not just a (disappointed) polititian on the left, but also a distinguished economist and author. Ultimately, he acquiesed to the EU demands to preserve Greece's lifeboat, but was scathing about EU tactics.
Not sure he is right about European Singapore, but that is one of the fears. I think we will be more aligned than he suggests.
Wait and see seems to be required.

 

[Len Rum]

Relax everyone.
The Saj now saying we will align with EU rules and regs whereas last week he said we err......wouldn't.
Confused anyone?

 

[Vic]

Relax everyone.
The Saj now saying we will align with EU rules and regs whereas last week he said we err......wouldn't.
Confused anyone?

Not if you always assume the Tories are lying.