Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

All we want is to leave and have a similar trading arrangement with the EU as other non EU countries - better would be great of course but I accept we can't have our cake and eat it. The EU for its part needs to accept it can't meddle in UK domestic politics, fishing waters, or parliamentary process. If it were Beijing or Putin making the same demands upon us we wouldn't accept it, so I don't see why we should from Brussels.
If you list all the threats to the UK union, GFA, trade, commerce, restrictions on imports and exports and demands for legislative compliance /subservience by the EU it's actually rather chilling. Short of an out and out naval blockade or other military action I challenge you to find another sanction short of war which they have not yet threatened to use against the UK.

Good grief.

Weren't you a neutral last week?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

That is an excellent post. It’s the feeling I get in my experience with most Brexiteers.

Worth noting, most of us don't have any contact with brexiteers as such. We are just twats on a football forum - sorry to dissapoint anyone who thinks they are addressing Farage, Boris or David Frost :-)

 

[Vic]

Yep. Brexit has always had this air of us wanting our cake and eating it, with scant regard for how the EU works. It's fine to disagree with the controls and restrictions they put in place, but we helped put them together for gods sake, so for us to to turn around and say its not fair that the EU are protecting themselves and sticking to their rules is laughable. It also smacks of the horrible air of English exceptionalism and arrogance that Brexit has fermented, although certainly not from everyone, but can't imagine it's a great impression to give in international relations.

I agree. Excellent.... but fomented not fermented.. unless you meant they must all be bladdered!

 

[Vic]

Worth noting, most of us don't have any contact with brexiteers as such. We are just twats on a football forum - sorry to dissapoint anyone who thinks they are addressing Farage, Boris or David Frost :-)

You are a brexiteer. When did you last post anything else?

 

[mcfc1632]

My response to that is that it is disingenuous for opponents to the EU, people who despised it because of the controls and restrictions they felt were being placed on us as a nation, to now, in an act of faux outrage, point out that they are acting in such a fashion. Surely they were always going to apply their rules to a country that is no longer a member in the same way they always have done. That's why many of you wanted to leave. For a country that has never been renowned for its conciliatory attitude towards Europe and the EU to claim that it now just wants to be friends and get along but the other side won't allow this is a bit rich. It would be nice if we could all just carry on as we were but that ship sailed in 2016 and the hull gets breached with every utterance from the brexit ultras until it finally sinks as we pass legislation that will mean we renege on a treaty we signed 9 months before.

Good post - but I would wish to turn that first section around.

I have seen several posts from @Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese in which he is being clear about the EU now acting true to their well established ways of working - there is no faux outrage from him (or us)

It is the (some of) Remainers that bang on about the EU being some altruistic benefactor that simply operates on a model of generosity etc.

It is those Remainers that have not understood the reality of the EU's methods and ways of working and it has been (some of) them that have been disingenuous in denying this reality

 

[chedlee]

Good post - but I would wish to turn that first section around.

I have seen several posts from @Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese in which he is being clear about the EU now acting true to their well established ways of working - there is no faux outrage from him (or us)

It is the (some of) Remainers that bang on about the EU being some altruistic benefactor that simply operates on a model of generosity etc.

It is those Remainers that have not understood the reality of the EU's methods and ways of working and it has been (some of) them that have been disingenuous in denying this reality

The way I see it is they are a rules based organisation and they are trying to implement their rules. That is how I understand it. We don't like the rules so we left and it seems that some people think it is unfair that they are now imposing those rules on us.
Except that we aren't yet feeling the impact of that and won't until 2021 and probably when we take our dog on hols. I am sorry to keep labouring that particular example but it will be a very tangible pinch point for many people that cannot be attributed to any other erroneous economic factor.

 

[chedlee]

All we want is to leave and have a similar trading arrangement with the EU as other non EU countries - better would be great of course but I accept we can't have our cake and eat it. The EU for its part needs to accept it can't meddle in UK domestic politics, fishing waters, or parliamentary process. If it were Beijing or Putin making the same demands upon us we wouldn't accept it, so I don't see why we should from Brussels.
If you list all the threats to the UK union, GFA, trade, commerce, restrictions on imports and exports and demands for legislative compliance /subservience by the EU it's actually rather chilling. Short of an out and out naval blockade or other military action I challenge you to find another sanction short of war which they have not yet threatened to use against the UK.

Here's a slightly different approach to this that might open it up a bit. Do you (or anyone else) think that the trade deal we just struck with Japan will be the same deal we might do with the US? Further would it be fair for the US to try to hold us to account over any difference and claim we weren't being 'fair'?

 

[blueinsa]

The way I see it is they are a rules based organisation and they are trying to implement their rules. That is how I understand it. We don't like the rules so we left and it seems that some people think it is unfair that they are now imposing those rules on us.
Except that we aren't yet feeling the impact of that and won't until 2021 and probably when we take our dog on hols. I am sorry to keep labouring that particular example but it will be a very tangible pinch point for many people that cannot be attributed to any other erroneous economic factor.

They do have their own rules, correct and they can implement them as they see fit, no problems.

We too now can make our own rules and implement them as we see fit.

I have decided to start a pet boarding business as i think the demand is going to be huge ;-)

 

[Vic]

Here's a slightly different approach to this that might open it up a bit. Do you (or anyone else) think that the trade deal we just struck with Japan will be the same deal we might do with the US? Further would it be fair for the US to try to hold us to account over any difference and claim we weren't being 'fair'?

I think I'll watch this before reducing it to chlorinated chicken....

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[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Here's a slightly different approach to this that might open it up a bit. Do you (or anyone else) think that the trade deal we just struck with Japan will be the same deal we might do with the US? Further would it be fair for the US to try to hold us to account over any difference and claim we weren't being 'fair'?

Fair point, but neither seek to impose their regulatory framework upon us to anywhere near the extent as the EU. As part of the negotiating process no other party ever sought to threaten/coerce/destroy our economy to the same extent as the EU. Short of military action there is nothing I can think of which the EU have not so far threatened us with.