The point is mate there was never any mention by the Leave camp that there was any risk of a 'national act of self harm' .It's hard to argue with a lot of that. I would make the point however that all the ways in which you describe things being harder or worse post brexit are not actually the natural state of things. These frictions or obstacles you describe are all constructs and mechanisms of the EU. In short they are not promising to make our house better if we stay, just to burn it down if we leave. This probably goes some way to explaining the willingness to perpetrate what many perceive as a national act of self harm - a form of resistance, protest, or defiance if you will.
It is this reliance on fear / coercion by the EU, and the tactics widely labelled 'project fear' of remain campaigns that have led to the situation we are now in. It was a gamble by Cameron, and one that probably seemed a decent bet as similar tactics had persuaded us to reject electoral reform / PR and maintain the status quo in his largely forgotten electoral reform referendum of 2011. Emboldened by this he thought he could pull the same stunt to rid his own party of their historic schism on Europe and dispose of Farage and co. This time his horse didn't come in.
Bob. It's a trade deal, of course they will wish to export to us - hence the term 'deal'.
I’ve not spoken to a single leave voter who thought it would be sunny uplands. Most are reasoned and were looking at a long term goals, which I respect.The point is mate there was never any mention by the Leave camp that there was any risk of a 'national act of self harm' .
Their argument was that we held all the cards, that we would get a good deal and that if we couldn't then we could cope easily with no deal.
I'm not aware that anyone in the leave camp is saying this even now? - it seems to be a term embittered remainers feel comfortable with rather than brexit / leaving.The point is mate there was never any mention by the Leave camp that there was any risk of a 'national act of self harm' .
Their argument was that we held all the cards, that we would get a good deal and that if we couldn't then we could cope easily with no deal.
Err.. I was quoting you mate!I'm not aware that anyone in the leave camp is saying this even now? - it seems to be a term embittered remainers feel comfortable with rather than brexit / leaving.
Cue us putting literally every card on the table and then swiftly running off to plant a series of articles in the Times, Telegraph, Sun and Mail as to why the EU didn't give us everything we wanted.Johnson has been on the horn to the Prez of European Council who has given a brief readout of the convo.
’Just talked to Boris Johnson. The EU prefers a deal, but not at any cost.
Time for the UK to put its cards on the table.
#EUCO #15-16October’
Yes, but I'm not the 'leave camp' ?Err.. I was quoting you mate!