Another new Brexit thread

[Neville Kneville]

Without replying to every sentence, if I may pick up on this one, "If they are not stopped this country will be a horrible place 10-15 years from now". In what way, do you think? What sort of "horrible"? They cannot do much with the weather. Do you mean Liverpool winning things? That bad?

A place where many of the liberties we take for granted are gradually taken away & people are bullied out of doing anything about it.

A place where extremism, is normal & centrism is 'far left'.

 

[Chippy_boy]

A question I asked in another thread and so far Only Bob answered.

If Boris did win an election with a landslide majority (as one member predicted), would a No Deal Brexit be more or less likely?

Hmmmm, what a fascinating question. Of course on face value, you'd assume more likely on the basis of the strong mandate from the public.

But of course his negotiating position with the EU would be immeasurably strenghthened. And Boris is in his heart I believe a Remainer, one who went to the dark side for political expediency. So on balance, I think it more likely we'd get some kind of acceptable deal and would leave with a deal. All common sense says we're better off leaving with a deal and Johnson has repeatedly said he wants a deal.

 

[BobKowalski]

Is it me, or are the loonies coming more and more to the fore in this thread? Some of the posts on here lately have been unusually bonkers and that's saying something.

Is there something in the tea? Or is it just everyone is losing the plot after 3 years of Brexit purgatory.

No. Affluent parents can give their kids a boost through private tuition. Equally talented or even more talented kids will not have access to that as the home life is different. There is no issue with parents doing their best to advantage their kids. What is being asked is that other kids also have access to programs or facilities that also give them a boost.

It’s simply about giving everyone, in as much as you can, equal opportunities to either shine or not as the case may be.

I cannot see why this is an argument or an issue. Maximising the chances of kids from varying backgrounds and circumstances to thrive is common sense no?

 

[Neville Kneville]

I hope a certain scenario comes to pass, if only for giggles. (For I am at the point of beyond caring whether we stay in, leave or volunteer to become the 51st US state. I really can't give much of a toss any more).

But for giggles, Johnson gets a not bad deal from the EU - surprisingly not bad in fact. And he comes back to the HoC and says, here you go, Parliament, vote for this.

What on EARTH do the various factions do? It would be spectacularly funny, watching them tie themselves in knots over it.

He is making sure that the opposition won't vote for anything he comes back with, even 'remain'.

But the only thing he can come back with, is May's deal, which he & his own people don't want.

 

[west didsblue]

A question I asked in another thread and so far Only Bob answered.

If Boris did win an election with a landslide majority (as one member predicted), would a No Deal Brexit be more or less likely?

It would be nailed on.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Never ending income stream...

Take the land, sell it back to the rich man...tax him...take the land, sell it back to the rich man...tax him...take th......................................

Genius.

Thank You.

 

[Neville Kneville]

None of them want a deal.

A lot of them were not far off agreeing one.

 

[BobKowalski]

Install a parliament capable of getting brexit done.

In other words turf enough remain MP's out!

That or you turf leave MP's out and fill it with remain.

Either will do, just get it fucking done and over with.

Are you advocating only MPs with certain political beliefs are allowed to run for, or sit in Parliament? Nice one party state you’ve got there.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I have always been middle ground, voting for the party that best matched my beliefs based on their manifesto. Some of my favourite politicians are Tories but Johnson’s ship and all those that sail in it are very bad news for this nation. He will try and repeat his thoroughly dishonest leave campaign to win the next election. The difference will be the enemy this time is not the EU, it is Parliament/the Legal establishment/anyone that fails to agree with him. Traitors all. He already has the gutter media singing to that tune. His behaviour yesterday even topped his previous behaviour. Thoroughly and absolutely shameful.
Think we are a divided nation now? You ain’t seen nothing yet mate.

Yet he’s still favourite to win the next election/ get the highest vote.

 

[west didsblue]

I think he wants a deal and I think the threat once again of no deal would ensure we got one.

As bad as a no deal brexit is for us and the EU, its horrific for the Irish and certain realities like that will ensure a deal is done.

Completely disagree. The EU will have Ireland's back. No-one will have ours, unless you trust Trump!

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Are you advocating only MPs with certain political beliefs are allowed to run for, or sit in Parliament? Nice one party state you’ve got there.

Well we kinda have that already. Most of them are remainers, despite the fact millions voted leave. This parliament doesn’t exactly represent society.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Yet he’s still favourite to win the next election/ get the highest vote.

Purely down to the far left hijacking the Labour Party.

Otherwise that shower of cunts would be out of business. People don't trust Corbyn.

 

[hgblue]

A question I asked in another thread and so far Only Bob answered.

If Boris did win an election with a landslide majority (as one member predicted), would a No Deal Brexit be more or less likely?

More likely, because the Tory manifesto will almost certainly mention leaving without a deal if one can’t be found, so there will be a mandate for it. The other facto. which is out of our control is whether the EU would move on the backstop if faced with the absolute certainty of no deal if they don’t, and you could probably answer that one better than me.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Well we kinda have that already. Most of them are remainers, despite the fact millions voted leave. This parliament doesn’t exactly represent society.

Millions voted to remain & millions didn't vote for either.

 

[west didsblue]

Yet he’s still favourite to win the next election/ get the highest vote.

He is indeed. The Trump doctrine works and the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph are fully on message.
Parliament and the judiciary are painted as the establishment who are doing everything they can to subvert the will of the people, and Johnson, Farage and their ERG friends are painted as the defenders of the people. A lot of people are taken in by this shit.

 

[blueinsa]

Are you advocating only MPs with certain political beliefs are allowed to run for, or sit in Parliament? Nice one party state you’ve got there.

Yeah that's why i said the country can either fill it with leave or remain MP's but at least we can get it done finally.

You think the country is remain so fill it and have a majority remain government.

I think its still leave so hope we get a majority leave government.

One party state? What crap Bob!

 

[M18CTID]

How?

Pay full market rate for it or just take it?

Then what?

Give it to the poor? What do they do with it?

It's a shame Mugabe isn't around anymore. He had a bit of experience in that field. Maybe Vic could've drafted him in to sort it, given how well it went in Zimbabwe some years ago.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well we kinda have that already. Most of them are remainers, despite the fact millions voted leave. This parliament doesn’t exactly represent society.

This Parliament was elected in 2017 by *checks notes*...us. The people. Sometimes known as ‘society’.

Incidentally 16 million voted Remain. Are they not allowed a voice?

 

[Neville Kneville]

More likely, because the Tory manifesto will almost certainly mention leaving without a deal if one can’t be found, so there will be a mandate for it. The other facto. which is out of our control is whether the EU would move on the backstop if faced with the absolute certainty of no deal if they don’t, and you could probably answer that one better than me.

They should be campaigning for 'no deal' end of.

That's what a vote for them will mean, there will be no other choice, & they know it.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I think he wants a deal and I think the threat once again of no deal would ensure we got one.

As bad as a no deal brexit is for us and the EU, its horrific for the Irish and certain realities like that will ensure a deal is done.

I'm not so sure.
All he has so far is May's deal or a threat of No Deal. He has to go with No Deal by a deadline.
May's deal couldn't get by his own cabinet, the ERG etc. Why would it now.
He hasn't done a tap on any solution that would get by The Irish and EU stance that would still remain the same.

The way I see it, it would be throw the DUP and NI under a bus, put the backstop down the Irish Sea, tweak a few red Lines maybe, or leave with No Deal.

So does he throw NI aside or meet his No Deal deadline?