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All I did was say 'spot on' to a post that said:

"Anyone with a half decent understanding of economics knows that long term forecasting, especially on something as complicated and chaotic as brexit, is completely pointless as the unknowns stacking up over time make it impossible to calculate anything even remotely close to an accurate prediction."

Which was a Remainer expressing that all the Remainer doom and gloom is 'suspect'

Even then, the geste of this argument seems rather suspect. I mean, lets try to translate it to rocket science:
remainer: I believe we lack the info to conclude with sufficient certainty that our untested vessel won't blow up out there if we try to leave planet earth
leaver: you can't predict the outcome with youre science, so lets go for it.....

Try again with the presumption...…..

The UK is leaving the EU

…..look forwards to responding to your reply

remainer: I believe we lack the info to conclude with sufficient certainty that our untested vessel won't blow up out there if we try to leave planet earth
leaver: you can't predict the outcome with youre science, so lets go for it.....
remainer: euh...
leaver: we voted to go to Ursa Major, to Ursa Major we go
 
Yeah well tell us your proposal , or your twelve year olds then ?

It’s easy just saying no, bollox , rubbish all the time but very hard to actually do or propose something workable but go on

There are 2 options for Ireland

1. Soft Brexit for UK which keeps us in customs union and/ or aligned with the single market which keeps us all in
2. UK out and Ireland stays in 1.

That is it fundamently unless you want a hard border in Ireland, there is no highbred or magic unicorn technical solutions either don't exist or work. There is no other ways it is as black and white as that these grey dreamed up plans cause problems for the Good Friday Agreement which the UK made drawn up and agreed to.
 
I’ve done jobs at various levels, and some you can get away with winging it, and others you simply can’t. I suspect being an MP with a huge majority falls into the former; running the country manifestly falls into the latter, as I suspect Johnson is now starting to discover.

Your absolutely right crucially you have to put a shift and fundamently serve for the greater good of the people. Something Johnson has clearly ignored since the day he took office, now he is living out his fantasy of being his hero which is fastly turning into a nightmare and I bet he wish he was on the back benches as a part time hack.
 
What you understand and what is true/accurate are most likely two very different things.
doubt it

I will let the next 9 months prove me right - certainly the last 3 have.

Whether you post to acknowledge that I was right and demonstrate that you have integrity to admit that - I will leave to your own ''moral compass'
 
That may be where we end up but first of all we have to leave the Eu ....



Unicorns are that way--------------------->

Why on earth would any economy .. having just seen a major competitor fall at the fence ..... allow them access to their markets ?...... its not a difficult question to answer but the belief that these economies will bend over backwards to facilitate less trade for themselves is simply mind boggling!!
 
Just in from Arlene Foster - who said Irony is dead...

Simon Coveney’s remarks are deeply unhelpful, obstructionist and intransigent. The Irish government’s majoritarian desire to ride roughshod over unionism was one of the reasons why the Withdrawal agreement was rejected.

Mr Coveney’s rejection of a reasonable offer is paving the road for a no deal exit because unionism will not allow
Northern Ireland to be trapped at the whim of Dublin or the EU. We will not buy that.

The Irish government’s preparedness to dump the consent principle for their country’s expediency is foolish in the extreme and sends a very clear message to unionists.

Oh fuck up Arelene
 
The EU will treat these proposals as an opening gambit as they at least show an understanding that the Irish border problem is a real and complex one and not made up and weaponised as Brexiteers fondly claim.

Assuming these proposals are a basis for talks we are obviously looking at months of negotiation and by presenting these proposals the U.K. Govt is accepting that fact and are therefore ackowledging an extension to A50 is necessary.

So the question is. Does Johnson put up a fight to prevent a logical extension to A50 and make Parliament do it or does he attempt to control the narrative by doing it himself claiming that these new U.K. proposals point to a way out of this mess?
Hmmmmmmm

Thought you would understand this......

He goes into a GE with the position clearly being one of Remain or Leave

He wins it and the EU - given it will be the first time they have ever faced the prospect of a no-deal outcome and the political will to use it - will agree to the proposition - although dress it up so it sounds different.

Seriously - they really will and any comments to the contrary will just demonstrate ignorance.....

Why cannot posters on here understand the simple basics?

The power of a No-deal option has been demonstrated in recent weeks on this thread - many times over
 
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Corbyn doesn’t like this new deal it seems unfortunately

He didn’t like the previous withdrawal agreement either due to the backstop. As the problem with the backstop as it risks keeping the uk in the single market and customs union indefinitely.

Perhaps whilst opposing the deal cos it’s the Tories , he should have read it and he should have listened to what his brexit Secretary at the time on labours policy which was to keep the uk in a permanent customs union and the single market.

Doh.

Anyway here comes the Scottish Jabba.
He will not agree to the best ever deal - jut politics mate
 
You may think so...….

Unless the sycophants are successful - I will be proven to be spot on

I really believe this and in 10 years time you will seek me out to grovelling apologise for the shite you have posted - I really hope that you are man enough to do that
Come on you sycophants! You know it makes sense.
 
Just in from Arlene Foster - who said Irony is dead...

Simon Coveney’s remarks are deeply unhelpful, obstructionist and intransigent. The Irish government’s majoritarian desire to ride roughshod over unionism was one of the reasons why the Withdrawal agreement was rejected.

Mr Coveney’s rejection of a reasonable offer is paving the road for a no deal exit because unionism will not allow
Northern Ireland to be trapped at the whim of Dublin or the EU. We will not buy that.

The Irish government’s preparedness to dump the consent principle for their country’s expediency is foolish in the extreme and sends a very clear message to unionists.
She won't get consent in NI to this deal from anyone but her own party. It's not irony, it's Johnsonian deception.
 
You can never get an answer to this question aguerrrroooooooooooo because they havent got one they could put in writing ........
He has, but one way or another it depends on long term economic forecasts which he says are useless, and it just boils down to his version of sunlit uplands.
 
utterly naïve bollocks

Most importantly you seen unable to understand how an unfettered backstop will actually be used

Those last 2 posts were just ignorance is bliss waffle

Yes I know how an 'unfettered backstop' would actually be used.

It would be used to keep us tied to EU rules, until a solution is found to the Irish border problem.

As no solution will be found, we would be stuck indefinitely.

If however a genuine solution was miraculously found, ( not a Bullshit Bozo pretend solution) then it would require the EU, to get rid of the backstop.

Should they fail to do so, under those circumstances, they would be acting in bad faith & could have no complainst if we behaved just as badly.
 
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