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Vic said:
We could be like Norway. Farage's deal.
We could be like Canada. Johnson's deal.
Lots of deals, easy. Davis.
We will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border. Official Leave deal (well, rather a lie about the default position if there were no deal).
Leavers who advocated no deal. No bugger.

There is no mandate for no deal.
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Which of the above is there a mandate for?
 
Vic said:
We could be like Norway. Farage's deal.
We could be like Canada. Johnson's deal.
Lots of deals, easy. Davis.
We will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border. Official Leave deal (well, rather a lie about the default position if there were no deal).
Leavers who advocated no deal. No bugger.

There is no mandate for no deal.
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What’s that you say? A free trade zone from Iceland to Russia? Why have you never mentioned that before?
 
Vic said:
We could be like Norway. Farage's deal.
We could be like Canada. Johnson's deal.
Lots of deals, easy. Davis.
We will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border. Official Leave deal (well, rather a lie about the default position if there were no deal).
Leavers who advocated no deal. No bugger.

There is no mandate for no deal.
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No idea why you were taken in by Farage and Boris. Both have strengths as orators, but I wouldn't base your decision purely on their soundbites.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Which of the above is there a mandate for?
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A deal. That's what they all promised. They could have had one of them (except Davis's fantasy of German carmakers hammering on Merkel's door for one). Whoever you blame for not getting one, there is no mandate for no deal.
 
Vic said:
A deal. That's what they all promised. They could have had one of them (except Davis's fantasy of German carmakers hammering on Merkel's door for one). Whoever you blame for not getting one, there is no mandate for no deal.
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There was never any mandate for a deal or no Deal. The only mandate was for leave. The attempt to frame leave in terms of a deal is a post referendum construct - largely by those who found themselves upset and surprised with the narrow leave majority vote.
 
Vic said:
I didn't. But if millions did... there is no mandate for no deal.
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Nice assumption about leave voters. That's like saying the only reason the leave majority was not much larger was because of 'project fear' - personally I credit my remain voting brothers with more intelligence.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
There was never any mandate for a deal or no Deal. The only mandate was for leave. The attempt to frame leave in terms of a deal is a post referendum construct - largely by those who found themselves upset and surprised with the narrow leave majority vote.
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Give it up. Deals were everywhere pre the referendum.

Either provide a quote from someone who advocated that Leave meant leave with no deal, or give up.
 
Vic said:
Give it up. Deals were everywhere pre the referendum.

Either provide a quote from someone who advocated that Leave meant leave with no deal, or give up.
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The question on the ballot paper was clear and the verdict of the referendum was clear.
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Surely some mistake - there is no mention of leave being contingent upon a deal?
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I think you would admit that a campaign run on ‘let’s just rip up 40 years of cooperation, trade agreements, security, citizens rights’, aviation and food standards etc. And also the £ will be around 1.11 V the Euro in 3 years’ Would not have got off the ground
 
Blue Hefner said:
I think you would admit that a campaign run on ‘let’s just rip up 40 years of cooperation, trade agreements, security, citizens rights’, aviation and food standards etc. And also the £ will be around 1.11 V the Euro in 3 years’ Would not have got off the ground
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Probably not, but it appears the remain campaign was equally unequiped to convince the electorate - hence the result.
 
BobKowalski said:
Show me a ballot paper from any election that has each party’s full manifesto stapled to it.

State of this shite. Jeez.
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All ballot papers tend to show just the basic choice. As we know manifesto pledges are but flotsam on the tide of politics. I pity leavers who voted in hope of a deal as much as I pity remainers who voted as such in fear of the supposed negatives.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Probably not, but it appears the remain campaign was equally unequiped to convince the electorate - hence the result.
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I’d agree. The main issue Remain has was all the real issues people were facing in regards lack of wage growth, problems getting doctors appointments, immigration etc. Were all at the door of successive governments. Trouble was, they couldn’t put their hand up and say that and/or apologise and try to make it better. No, they simply said if you think it’s bad now vote for us or it will get worse - it’s a terrible strategy. People want hope and optimism

However, people that thought and still think it can’t get any worse are wrong. But we’ve gone past that now. There was a bloke on the radio the other day saying he’d happily lose his job for ‘change’

There are at least 2 problems with this from his perspective 1) he couldn’t articulate what ‘change’ looked like and 2) the people who are really backing this now don’t typically look kindly to the unemployed and in particular those that make themselves intentionally unemployed
 
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