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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
You think there are none, which is fine - free country and all that. Other people (about half of them) don't agree.
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No matter how you voted we have all learnt more than we knew prior to the referendum. If people are seriously claiming that they have learnt nothing new about how the EU works or how it intersects with the U.K. then they are either lying or used to work in Brussels and knew it already. It is impossible not to have learnt more.

You only have to compare the fantasy of what leave exponents were saying with the reality to see that it’s been a steep, and grim, learning curve.
 
BobKowalski said:
No matter how you voted we have all learnt more than we knew prior to the referendum. .
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I don't think that can be disputed and I think both leave and remain underestimated the British peoples yearning for knowledge.

Its all well and good putting up vicious posters like Farage and messages on buses but if the messages are seen as fallacious there will be recriminations. If you counter those messages with project fear then that will be exposed as nonsense.

The reality is in my opinion, is that we the electorate were poorly served by our politicians and they underestimated our abilities to see through the bullshit of both sides extremist wings.

Now they wonder why the country is in a mess, why there messages were ignored and why people are fed up of the whole thing, its created a toxic environment of hatred and mistrust and I hope nobody ever wanted that.

All it took was honesty from both sides, what we got was lies from both sides and we are poorer as a nation for it.
 
BobKowalski said:
Talking of learning curve. Those German Car makers are leaving it late to save the day.

'The Irish backstop must be retained without a time limit if the Brexit withdrawal agreement is to be acceptable, the head of Germany’s main business group says’

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...op-must-remain-german-business-leader-demands
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When the surrender bill quisling turns up to hand over our sovereignty there will be smiling faces in Berlin as our kennel is prepared for occupation..
 
Rascal said:
The Tory fall back position of things are better than they have ever been, why not use the line that things are nowhere near as good as they could be.

They use the more people in work than ever line, easily refuted by one simple fact, there are more people alive than there has ever been, which means we need more teachers, more barbers, more undertakers, more bus drivers, more dinner ladies, more window cleaners, more taxi drivers

I know the truth is a bitter pill to swallow for Tories, but the truth matters and the truth will out.
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I'm not a Tory and i did say I thought things could also be better! That aside I do think you should look at the link. You never know but you actually might end up a happier person!?
 
Rascal said:
I don't think that can be disputed and I think both leave and remain underestimated the British peoples yearning for knowledge.

Its all well and good putting up vicious posters like Farage and messages on buses but if the messages are seen as fallacious there will be recriminations. If you counter those messages with project fear then that will be exposed as nonsense.

The reality is in my opinion, is that we the electorate were poorly served by our politicians and they underestimated our abilities to see through the bullshit of both sides extremist wings.

Now they wonder why the country is in a mess, why there messages were ignored and why people are fed up of the whole thing, its created a toxic environment of hatred and mistrust and I hope nobody ever wanted that.

All it took was honesty from both sides, what we got was lies from both sides and we are poorer as a nation for it.
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Beacon of light rascal. The problem is we have all been conditioned to pick a side and stick to it ro the point of refusing to countenance any other view but our own. We then just have to pick the echo chamber that best suits our view on the Internet to reassure ourselves that we are correct in our view. The truth is clearly that there are almost as many benefits and drawbacks to remain as leave. This is why we had a referendum instead of a govt policy, and it's also why the referendum was such a finely balanced result. To suggest though that the opposite view to your own may have merit has become modern day blasphemy, and it interests me who benefits from this shut down of thought/speech/ debate.
 
lust overlord said:
Of course,because they are hypocrites.
As are most of the rest of the remain and leaver mps.
Most of us have been forced,by circumstance,to choose which hypocrites we agree with,on this one topic,and will vote accordingly.
All the while arguing that we,the voters,aren't being hypocritical.

Stupid isn't it.
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The biggest stupidity is having the referendum in the first place & the 2nd biggest, is not including a 2nd, legally binding referendum to confirm or cancel the agreement reached, thus taking it out of the hands of politicians.
 
Rascal said:
I don't think that can be disputed and I think both leave and remain underestimated the British peoples yearning for knowledge.

Its all well and good putting up vicious posters like Farage and messages on buses but if the messages are seen as fallacious there will be recriminations. If you counter those messages with project fear then that will be exposed as nonsense.

The reality is in my opinion, is that we the electorate were poorly served by our politicians and they underestimated our abilities to see through the bullshit of both sides extremist wings.

Now they wonder why the country is in a mess, why there messages were ignored and why people are fed up of the whole thing, its created a toxic environment of hatred and mistrust and I hope nobody ever wanted that.

All it took was honesty from both sides, what we got was lies from both sides and we are poorer as a nation for it.
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Eggsackerly
 
blueish swede said:
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quick google on biggest imorters of beef to the US of A has Ireland at number 11, Denmark at 14, Poland at 16, Italy at 18.

https://beef2live.com/story-beef-imports-ranking-countries-0-116237[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about how our current make up of dairy/beef/ mixed herds are set up in terms of seeing our domestic market so it may all be bollocks from all sides. The biggest barrier to US imports may he our own supermarkets who currently pay farmers fuck all for their produce.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
quick google on biggest imorters of beef to the US of A has Ireland at number 11, Denmark at 14, Poland at 16, Italy at 18.

https://beef2live.com/story-beef-imports-ranking-countries-0-116237
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I'm not sure about how our current make up of dairy/beef/ mixed herds are set up in terms of seeing our domestic market so it may all be bollocks from all sides. The biggest barrier to US imports may he our own supermarkets who currently pay farmers fuck all for their produce.[/QUOTE]
How would that work? Stopping the US from buying your beef by making it cheaper?
 
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