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bluethrunthru said:
Parliament is prorogued at the end of every sitting. Its how you draw a line under proceedings then come back with a Queens speech to start with a new agenda. Most often its prorogued (shut down) to enable the 3 weeks for the 3 main parties to hold their conferences which gives the governing party 2 weeks when they aren't at conference to finalise their Queens speech and recall Parliament. For some reason Bozo says this time he needs 5 weeks and caveats it with that time period is not unusual the speaker says its not taken that long in decades. Make your own mind up whether there is an ulterior motive.

It does however predate the FTPA by many many years.
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Also from what I have read it’s never been used as a political filibuster tool before now, which is the crux of the matter.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Who gives a fuck do you think calling the mps back will solve the issue? No it’s all bollox

Moan moan moan with no solution mps will continue to do that in or out of parlaiment
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I think you need to calm down. I was simply explaining to the poster that prorogation is not something that comes out of the FTPA. No need at all for your abusive unrelated rant as some sort of reply.
 
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Its funny how JRM won't go to the GMC to complain about this doctors remoaner propaganda and won't repeat his allegation outside Parliamentary privilege #anotherToryLiar

 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I know it is accepted that you have a constitution, but I find the concept very vague and openly admit I really don't fully understand how it is supposed to operate.
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Rather than it being written and set in stone like the USA, ours is supposed to be a "living" constitution that constantly evolves through precedent and interpretation of legislative intent. Something like that anyway, it is a vague concept but it shows the importance of an independent Judiciary. They can interpret the intent of the legislature.

I only did Law to A-level standard, 30 years ago may I add and that's how I recall it.
 
lancs blue said:
I may be wrong but I thought that he wanted Parliament to be sitting again before the EU Council meeting on 17th October, hence the Queen's Speech on the 14th. I'm not aware of any time limit on prorogation.
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I love how humble we all are about it for once.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Just enjoying a Chinese having arrived ahead of the game tomorrow

Stupidly, logged on to read this.

It is saying something but that is likely the worst post I've seen from you

Totally mumbled and confused and not really relevant to what I posted

But thank you for proving my points;-)
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It’s okay if you cannot come back on my points.

Enjoy your Chinese, if your Mrs can tell between which gammon is which she deserves a medal :-)
 
bluethrunthru said:
misconceptions...........I'd call it ignorance and a good chunk of people being prepared to listen to lies rather than do a bit of basic fact checking for themselves.
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In the pub last night and there's four blokes at the end of the bar discussing the recent spate of illegal immigrants caught crossing the channel .... and one says ... the sooner Brexit gets done the better .. put a stop to all this.



YCMIU ......
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
Oh goody, Cameron's back.

Things should get better now.
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Who would have thought that Cameron would release a book at a time of national crisis

Call me a cynical **** if you want, but his timing is impeccable, knowing he will get maximum exposure in order to flog a few books to the misled.

What a twat.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
In the pub last night and there's four blokes at the end of the bar discussing the recent spate of illegal immigrants caught crossing the channel .... and one says ... the sooner Brexit gets done the better .. put a stop to all this.



YCMIU ......
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That is indicative of how successful the propaganda was in the run up to the referendum. That **** Farage's poster especially.

I heard a guy in the pub say to his mate, I voted leave to stop all those P***s coming here, they are everywhere. Obviously the thick **** thought Pakistan was in the EU,

Now i am in favour of some sort of immigration controls but i am never in favour of outlandish bigotry and offensive racism.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I think you need to calm down. I was simply explaining to the poster that prorogation is not something that comes out of the FTPA. No need at all for your abusive unrelated rant as some sort of reply.
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Not abusing you

“Bollox “ is the situation

“They” are the moaning mps

This 4 day extension is not stopping any solution as no mps have put forward any except the Lib Dem’s . They ( ie mps not you ) are good at saying what they don’t want but not very good on agreeing what they do .
 
Rascal said:
That is indicative of how successful the propaganda was in the run up to the referendum. That **** Farage's poster especially.

I heard a guy in the pub say to his mate, I voted leave to stop all those P***s coming here, they are everywhere. Obviously the thick **** thought Pakistan was in the EU,

Now i am in favour of some sort of immigration controls but i am never in favour of outlandish bigotry and offensive racism.
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It's a sad fact that many who voted leave did so for racist reasons and I say this as an unashamed leave voter myself. They just did.

The irony though in my opinion is that , again in my opinion, it is the EU itself that is a racist endeavour, borne out of a white European sense of superiority over the rest of the world.

Broken down into its simplest form European immigration policy is one of "if you look like us and speak like us you can settle in any of our towns and cities without too many questions being asked. If you have a darker hue you'll have to jump through a few hoops and the process could take a while. And if out of desperation you try and jump the queue we will leave you to drown on the shores of the mediterranean. We will also throw our massive GM food surplus in the bin before we open our markets to organic African farmers"

One of the better educated people I work with voted remain , in part, because as he so stupidly put it "at least with the EU the immigrants are white"

The answer is to open our doors to immigrants regardless of what they look like based on need and circumstances.

I'm not naive enough to think we'll get this with a Tory govt, or probably a new labour govt either, but out of the EU, in a few years we might get it with a real labour govt .

I live in hope if not in expectation
 
Kazzydeyna said:
It's a sad fact that many who voted leave did so for racist reasons and I say this as an unashamed leave voter myself. They just did.

The irony though in my opinion is that , again in my opinion, it is the EU itself that is a racist endeavour, borne out of a white European sense of superiority over the rest of the world.

Broken down into its simplest form European immigration policy is one of "if you look like us and speak like us you can settle in any of our towns and cities without too many questions being asked. If you have a darker hue you'll have to jump through a few hoops and the process could take a while. And if out of desperation you try and jump the queue we will leave you to drown on the shores of the mediterranean. We will also throw our massive GM food surplus in the bin before we open our markets to organic African farmers"

One of the better educated people I work with voted remain , in part, because as he so stupidly put it "at least with the EU the immigrants are white"

The answer is to open our doors to immigrants regardless of what they look like based on need and circumstances.

I'm not naive enough to think we'll get this with a Tory govt, or probably a new labour govt either, but out of the EU, in a few years we might get it with a real labour govt .

I live in hope if not in expectation
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That's a good post mate, although I see the EU as more protectionist of its own People/interests rather than being an outright racist endeavour, but I do get your point and I agree immigration should be open to all based on need and circumstances as we need that just for our NHS alone. I recently did some work with a young Chilean doctor who was here learning from my Prof at Salford Royal and that's what we need, people like her. I do agree that is unlikely to happen under the Tories are they seem pretty much against all immigration per se. Which is a very naïve approach given the demographic changes we are undergoing such as an aging population and low/negative birth rates.

It is posts like yours that are missing from what I have seen and read in this thread, there is little on the left wing case for leave and sadly that has allowed it to become seen as the property of the further right and that adds to the already damaging splits the nation is enduring. Brexit became a partisan party issue rather than a broad cross party consensus issue, which of course would have enabled Brexit to be achieved in a far less damaging way.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
It's a sad fact that many who voted leave did so for racist reasons and I say this as an unashamed leave voter myself. They just did.

The irony though in my opinion is that , again in my opinion, it is the EU itself that is a racist endeavour, borne out of a white European sense of superiority over the rest of the world.

Broken down into its simplest form European immigration policy is one of "if you look like us and speak like us you can settle in any of our towns and cities without too many questions being asked. If you have a darker hue you'll have to jump through a few hoops and the process could take a while. And if out of desperation you try and jump the queue we will leave you to drown on the shores of the mediterranean. We will also throw our massive GM food surplus in the bin before we open our markets to organic African farmers"

One of the better educated people I work with voted remain , in part, because as he so stupidly put it "at least with the EU the immigrants are white"

The answer is to open our doors to immigrants regardless of what they look like based on need and circumstances.

I'm not naive enough to think we'll get this with a Tory govt, or probably a new labour govt either, but out of the EU, in a few years we might get it with a real labour govt .

I live in hope if not in expectation
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We could do all this whilst still in the EU. The basis on which we accept non-EU immigrants is our business and ours alone. I also fail to understand how removing our own rights to freedom of movement within Europe helps the cause for a liberal immigration policy in the U.K. I would also point out you use the phrase ‘based on need and circumstance’ which in effect treats all immigrants as economic units rather than as people. Finally the EU’s FoM isn’t racist. A black EU citizen has the right to work and settle in 28 European countries. A white American does not. FoM is based on nationality not colour just as FoM within the four nations of the U.K. is based on nationality not colour.

FoM is liberation of ordinary people from the State. A liberation we had and which Leave voters casually tossed in the bin.
 
Rascal said:
Who would have thought that Cameron would release a book at a time of national crisis

Call me a cynical **** if you want, but his timing is impeccable, knowing he will get maximum exposure in order to flog a few books to the misled.

What a twat.
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To be fair to him, if he waits until it isn’t a time of national crisis everyone will have forgotten who he was
 
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