Another new Brexit thread

[Neville Kneville]

Where is this compromise?

I would support all sorts of compromises that actually means that we genuinely leave the EU

It is the Remainers - led by the EU sycophants in Westminster and the naked politics of the opposition parties that stop such a deal being established - and yes - also May making no effort at consensus - but that effort would have been wasted

You all just want Brexit cancelled

Interestingly, the change in tone on here in recent weeks absolutely demonstrates the value of the no-deal option being kept alive

I was meaning THERE IS NO SENSIBLE COMPROMISE for the people who actually live there. They have no reason to accept one.

They are budgeting for 'no deal' instead.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Just in from Arlene Foster - who said Irony is dead...

Simon Coveney’s remarks are deeply unhelpful, obstructionist and intransigent. The Irish government’s majoritarian desire to ride roughshod over unionism was one of the reasons why the Withdrawal agreement was rejected.

Mr Coveney’s rejection of a reasonable offer is paving the road for a no deal exit because unionism will not allow Northern Ireland to be trapped at the whim of Dublin or the EU. We will not buy that.

The Irish government’s preparedness to dump the consent principle for their country’s expediency is foolish in the extreme and sends a very clear message to unionists.

Well that’s helpful.
Secures in my mind where they think they are going with this.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You really cannot look at the 'here and now' can you

Such shit you post - IMHO

That doesn't make any sense.

But if you think Trump & the Chinese wouldn't use our situation to their advantage, should we leave the EU, then it makes me wonder what evidence & behaviour it would take to find people in the world you wouldn't actually trust, apart from our European neighbours of course

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

She won't get consent in NI to this deal from anyone but her own party. It's not irony, it's Johnsonian deception.

I believe so.
It has the potential to take the power of decision into the Assembly rather than to a referendum of the people where a majority would decide rather than a majority of one of the major partitions within the Assembly having a veto on staying aligned to Ireland/EU.

I believe that has to be clarified before any Nationalist could go near it.

If it is not so, then word it so that the Assembly decision’s default is to stay aligned to the Republic after each 4 years unless they pass a decision to go with the UK.
Let’s see if Arlene still thinks it’s a good idea.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It seems Ireland want no deal. I find their prime minister to actually be stirring up hatred and basically making it impossible for any deal

Some of the things they’ve said about a ‘united ireland’ and apparently what the uk people want. The eu and Ireland need to show some compromise.

Lots of labour mps, the dup, conservative outcasts look like they will vote for the deal

 

[Neville Kneville]

Yeah well tell us your proposal , or your twelve year olds then ?

It’s easy just saying no, bollox , rubbish all the time but very hard to actually do or propose something workable but go on

Now you are getting it !

 

[journolud]

Why do you insist on referring to remainers, or even leavers who have voted agsinst what even you say is a shit deal, as sycophants.

I do not, or have never done, what you describe there - I would vote Remain before vote for that shit deal

The sycophants are those at Westminster that are assiduously striving to stop Brexit happening - stop not get the best deal

That is my justification - they are indeed sycophants of the EU and are acting in the EU's interests by deliberately undermining the UK's negotiating position

You have just misunderstood how and when I have used the word

Dictionary definition of sycophant:

someone who praises powerful or rich people in a way that is not sincere, usually in order to get some advantage from them:

or

an insulting word for someone who praises rich or powerful people in order to gain an advantage

or

a person who acts obsequiously towards someone important in order to gain advantage.

For someone who claims to know a lot that is a pretty lax use of the term by any definition.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It seems Ireland want no deal. I find their prime minister to actually be stirring up hatred and basically making it impossible for any deal

Some of the things they’ve said about a ‘united ireland’ and apparently what the uk people want. The eu and Ireland need to show some compromise.

Lots of labour mps, the dup, conservative outcasts look like they will vote for the deal

Why should Ireland ‘compromise’ on anything?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Again, is this like a hobby with remainers?

Here's a way out, start backing it; "but muh brexiteers...".Anyone who supports the idea of a soft brexit, here it is. Have enough of a majority and, democratically, it will pass. It's a cult on both sides; Those clinging to remaining is dragging this out. Those clinging to a clean break brexit is dragging this out. Do you want this ending or not?

How the fuck do we back it ffs ???

We have been 'losers' for 3 years.

 

[Neville Kneville]

And there we have it. I just said; hold a general election, vote for MP's who publicly state their position is one that backs the UK joining the EFTA and accepts some EEA terms.

So what's your solution then? And don't even think about saying the words "revoking" or "remaining"...

WHO ?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Looks like the latest offer from Johnson fails for the EU In two areas:

1) checks on goods at or around the border
2) giving NI assembly the final say on when to leave the regulatory alignment agreement with the EU. Effectively giving the decision to the DUP as they are the largest party.

What about giving NI a referendum on point 2 rather than giving the NI assembly the final say?

Maybe if we move on Point 2, the EU may move on point 1?

I think they are being polite.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Another page dominated by one person posting self important patronising waffle.

Sad.

Can’t be healthy the amount of time he is posting on here, whatever points he is trying to make are all in vain anyway.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Keep the people ignorant and tell them the EU is what's best for them.

Or better yet, assume they are, as the best tactic to argue for us staying in.

They weren't even arsed finding out or worrying about it.

Then those lying cunts saw an opportunity to promise them all kinds of good shit if they voted to leave it.

If & when we do leave, it will be interesting to see how patient they all are, waiting for all the good shit, they were promised, to arrive.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Why ?, as far as I can see there is no barrier to extending and the next government negotiating a Norway type soft Brexit. The only barrier to that is the UK government itself.

And most of their (& Farage's) voters.

 

[aguero93:20]

Just in from Arlene Foster - who said Irony is dead...

Simon Coveney’s remarks are deeply unhelpful, obstructionist and intransigent. The Irish government’s majoritarian desire to ride roughshod over unionism was one of the reasons why the Withdrawal agreement was rejected.

Mr Coveney’s rejection of a reasonable offer is paving the road for a no deal exit because unionism will not allow Northern Ireland to be trapped at the whim of Dublin or the EU. We will not buy that.

The Irish government’s preparedness to dump the consent principle for their country’s expediency is foolish in the extreme and sends a very clear message to unionists.

They asked mademoiselle foster if irony was dead but she said no.

 

[robbieh]

Why should Ireland ‘compromise’ on anything?

Good point. They are an EU member like Spain or Holland. The fact that the UK has decided to leave shouldn't be any more negative for Ireland than for the two countries I have just mentioned above.
More to the point, the EU wouldn't be doing its job if it allowed it to be.

 

[aguero93:20]

It seems Ireland want no deal. I find their prime minister to actually be stirring up hatred and basically making it impossible for any deal

Some of the things they’ve said about a ‘united ireland’ and apparently what the uk people want. The eu and Ireland need to show some compromise.

Lots of labour mps, the dup, conservative outcasts look like they will vote for the deal

Nil mo chara, this isn't our doing, we want a deal, but we can't forsake the GFA and our citizens up north, or the unionists.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

They asked mademoiselle foster if irony was dead but she said no.

That kind of rhetoric from her can only mean one thing in my mind.
She’s preparing a siege mentality amongst the Unionist community. Like their democracy is somehow under threat from The Republicans.
There is a GE coming up where she doesn’t want to lose the Unionist vote.

The real threat to NI democracy that the people voted for under the GFA is actually under threat from her and her party.

 

[aguero93:20]

That kind of rhetoric from her can only mean one thing in my mind.
She’s preparing a siege mentality amongst the Unionist community. Like their democracy is somehow under threat from The Republicans.
There is a GE coming up where she doesn’t want to lose the Unionist vote.

The real threat to NI democracy that the people voted for under the GFA is actually under threat from her and her party.

Mark my words, they're going to get their arses kicked by alliance in the next GE.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

It seems Ireland want no deal. I find their prime minister to actually be stirring up hatred and basically making it impossible for any deal

Some of the things they’ve said about a ‘united ireland’ and apparently what the uk people want. The eu and Ireland need to show some compromise.

Lots of labour mps, the dup, conservative outcasts look like they will vote for the deal

The only one stirring things at the moment is Arlene Foster.