Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

3 days to discuss the bill granted by Moggie.

Taking the piss out of Parliament. Maastricht took months for a consensus.

Loads of time.

Remain MP's only need a few hours to get a bill through.

 

[mcfc1632]

I just believe they said they wouldn’t because the UK had previously ruled out this deal Johnson agreement and they didn’t see any other alternative.

They asked Johnson to come up with a proposal if he wanted a new deal and we essentially backtracked, rather than them.

You seem to equate movement to 'backtracking' - it is just the management of negotiations - which the EU have been exemplary at and we have been shite

I am just seeing it in that factual way.

If I am managing a major negotiation - I will have established a range of identified outcomes ranging from the 'fallback' i.e. the minimum viable that I would accept - through various better levels of what can be realistically achieved and onwards to my 'Ideal' outcome - of 'Ideal is very rarely attained'. I will have gotten the key person/governance body to agree them and then I will go forward with a mandate and report back progress and seek support on decisions.

What the EU was gifted by May was something waaaay beyond what would have been the EU's identified 'Ideal' outcome at the start of negotiations whereas the Irish Sea solution would have been one of the better 'realistic' options.

It is not a question of saying that the EU has 'backtracked' as in 'failed' - but they have indeed moved from the golden ticket they were gifted to another - for them very good - solution

It is just how major negotiations work mate - does not need to be emotional and all about loss or fail - just professional management within agreed governance arrangements

Let's just agree to disagree

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I'm depressed about the fact that my savings have seen fuck all growth for the past 3 years and unless and until we get this shite over and done with, that's likely the


You feel dirty? You ****ing should, siding with that opportunist wanker. This is how much he values the Union. From July this year:


The break-up of the United Kingdom would be "deeply regrettable" but a price worth paying to deliver Brexit, Nigel Farage has said.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nd-wales-northern-ireland-union-a8988146.html

You can safely ignore/delete every single word that comes out of that twat's mouth. He is a waste of air.

You should have invested in gold like Steve ‘talk-up no deal’ Baker and the rest of the law making dealers. Week before referendum £851 per ounce. Current price £1221 per ounce gives over a 40% return. Even if you’d invested on the Monday after the referendum you’d have seen a 20% return, so not everyone’s getting shafted. Funny that...

 

[blueinsa]

You should have invested in gold like Steve ‘talk-up no deal’ Baker and the rest of the law making dealers. Week before referendum £851 per ounce. Current price £1221 per ounce gives over a 40% return. Even if you’d invested on the Monday after the referendum you’d have seen a 20% return, so not everyone’s getting shafted. Funny that...

I can only imagine the look on your face if you ever saw the combined wealth of the Labour shadow front bench.

Funny that would be...

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I can only imagine the look on your face if you ever saw the combined wealth of the Labour shadow front bench.

Funny that would be...

Why?

 

[bluethrunthru]

another defeat for the clown................the referee will have to step in and stop this contest

 

[blueinsa]

Why?

You think they dont invest their money?

You sarcastically try to take the piss, make it sound somehow immoral to invest or be wealthy.

Im just pointing out to you that those you support are no better.

 

[blueinsa]

another defeat for the clown................the referee will have to step in and stop this contest

The referee has been stepping in for a while now.

 

[mexico1970]

I can only imagine the look on your face if you ever saw the combined wealth of the Labour shadow front bench.

Funny that would be...

Todays socialists have done very well out of the capitalist system, they may have ghostly thoughts about giving all their wealth up but they wont. If all politicians aren't brushed with the same bucket of tar and chicken feathers you're doing it wrong. I'm not a fan of if you are not with us you're against us type of scenario because it's plain stupid.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

You think they dont invest their money?

You sarcastically try to take the piss, make it sound somehow immoral to invest or be wealthy.

Im just pointing out to you that those you support are no better.

I don’t pretend any such thing. I just find it immoral that law makers are making decisions or taking positions that benefit them directly. It’s insider trading by any other name and I’d call it out whoever was doing it. Where this is even more shocking is politicians making money by making the country and it’s citizens worse off. If you can’t discern the difference you really need to take your blindfold off.

 

[blueinsa]

I don’t pretend any such thing. I just find it immoral that law makers are making decisions or taking positions that benefit them directly. It’s insider trading by any other name and I’d call it out whoever was doing it. Where this is even more shocking is politicians making money by making the country and it’s citizens worse off. If you can’t discern the difference you really need to take your blindfold off.

They are all law makers.

Happy to discuss and agree that MP's should have a blanket ban on second jobs, other income though but it has to apply to them all and not just those you dont like or disagree with.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Edited that for you

If you're going to be editing you could at least get it right try Parliament alienating itself from more than half the electorate that can be arsed to vote.

 

[mcfc1632]

Good question - I think Corbyn as there are enough Corbyn nut jobs in the party that the rationales wont try it. But that said I think enough fringe Corbyn nutters are starting to see the light (the fact he is totally un-electable) and therefore I see the next contest as being a bit more balanced. The next leader will be a clear cut remainer and that rules out many of the lefty nut jobs that Cobyns mob might have wanted to slide in. I see the Corbyn leadership as coming toward the end.

Don't want to divert the thread - but I see it similar - with maybe a different outcome

1. There is a GE within the next 4 months
2. Labour do not win a majority or become the leader of a minority government
3. Corbyn decides to stand down

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We are agreed to this point and as I am not a natural Conservative voter but very passionate about Brexit it is the next part that is very important to me.

If Johnson gets a working majority then I am relaxed about what happens next - if he does not then I definitely do not want someone like Starmer - not because I am anti-Labour - I just do not want them becoming electable until Brexit is sorted.

So the next steps as I see them are:

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4. Labour candidates are put forwards and Starmer will be one of those as will the current deputy - but there will have been 'developments behind the scenes to ensure that there is a (very probable female) candidate that would be seen as the 'heir' to Corbyn by momentum.

5. Whilst the PLP might prefer Starmer as would millions of long-standing voters - the LP membership will ensure that it is the 'heir' that becomes leader.

For me - this was obvious from the machinations at conference to place the role of Deputy Leader under review - with the idea of a shared role - ideally a woman.

 

[lust overlord]

They are all law makers.

Happy to discuss and agree that MP's should have a blanket ban on second jobs, other income though but it has to apply to them all and not just those you dont like or disagree with.

The mps should be paid more to do their jobs,representing their entire electorate.

They should therefore be held to the highest standard of professional integrity.

At the moment their are masses of mps with very little integrity,it seems.
Can't see it changing any time soon,unfortunately.

 

[SWP's back]

If you're going to be editing you could at least get it right try Parliament alienating itself from more than half the electorate that can be arsed to vote.

It was edited entirely correctly. Cheers.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

They are all law makers.

Happy to discuss and agree that MP's should have a blanket ban on second jobs, other income though but it has to apply to them all and not just those you dont like or disagree with.

Let’s take hedge fund managers who either bankroll the party or are MPs. Steve Baker, Redwood or JRM get a microphone up their nose and say “Hard Brexit, no deal, crash out”. Gold rises and pound falls. Week later they say “Soft Brexit, deal, get it done”. Opposite happens.
It’s nothing to do with leaving or remaining it’s just wrong. Benefiting from uncertainty by never supporting Mays deal.
It’s like drugging the rest of the field and claiming to be a champion tipster (except you’d be caught and banned if you were doing on a racecourse).

 

[blueinsa]

Benefiting from uncertainty by never supporting Mays deal.

Thats a lot of them from all the benches making a mint then.

 

[George Hannah]

Gove ramping it up now - Yellowhammer preparations now intensified 7 days a week 24 hours a day because of the impending risk of no deal exit through EU rejection of an extension .... dramatic stuff

 

[hilts]

Because Stormont isn’t sitting and in its absence it was imposed by direct rule ie Parliament. DUP tried to resurrect Stormont in order to prevent this happening but the SDLP walked out and it dissolved. DUP held a veto on this issue as per cross community rules but if Stormont isn’t sitting the rules do not apply.

The GFA was built on the understanding each community has a say and in effect a veto. To make things happen there has to be consensus.

Well I’m glad we are trying so hard not to disrupt such a brilliant agreement.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Thats a lot of them from all the benches making a mint then.

Could be. All I know is that most of the ERG are fund managers or have a stake in fund management and they knew that the opposition parties would oppose them. If they’d voted, with their government, this would be over but so would be their easy profits. Surely you can see that?