Another new Brexit thread

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I have been against Brexit since 2016 and still am.

I just think that the situation we find ourselves in, being very dire, can only move forward and socially heal the country by leaving with a deal and a FTA.

The referendum was stupid, the vote to leave a mistake but now we’ve done it there’s no other option to allow us to move on.
How can the country socially heal when we've effectively given NI to the EU without asking them, and the next few years Scotland will be doing their best to extricate themselves from the UK and get the same terms as NI in the short term with a view to independence and EU membership?
 
In a very rushed timetable, not much time for detailed scrutiny and debate even compared to the most routine legislation.
These people get paid a bloody good wage and have legal representatives in their midst so the sob stories don't work for me...

They need to focus on the amendments as they surely know the May deal inside out by now

It's not rocket science... a few evening sessions if needed are surely acceptable.. they want to have their cake and eat it these fuckers

The nation is waiting

They just said on the radio that MPs have had 500 hours to study the May deal... so this isn't difficult surely
 
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And any political party is welcome to campaign on a no deal vs deal referendum, or ni deal vs remain, or whatever,, and if they get a majority at a GE, then put that to thd people again. As long as they dont campaign 'every preferrable imaginable deal, yet to be explored' vs remain, which is what got us into this mess.

Parties can campaign on whatever they want, that’s democracy.

I’m just saying if it is remain vs *insert Brexit flavour here* it won’t end it.
 
I have been against Brexit since 2016 and still am.

I just think that the situation we find ourselves in, being very dire, can only move forward and socially heal the country by leaving with a deal and a FTA.

The referendum was stupid, the vote to leave a mistake but now we’ve done it there’s no other option to allow us to move on.

His question was addressed to @Chippy_boy to be fair. And with that in mind, I think he's wrong as I don't think Chippy ever said we should simply cancel Brexit, and he's always been in favour of honouring the referendum result even though it's not the result he desired. What he did do is passionately argue the case for remaining being the better option - so much so, that I took a lot of what he said on board in the run-up to the vote and even though I still voted to leave, he put his points across in layman's terms - points that actually carried some validity, which is more than can be said for the Remain campaign itself which seemed not to focus on all the good things about EU membership but instead all the bad things that might happen if we left. Not that the Leave campaign was any better of course.
 
How can the country socially heal when we've effectively given NI to the EU without asking them, and the next few years Scotland will be doing their best to extricate themselves from the UK and get the same terms as NI in the short term with a view to independence and EU membership?
Can Scotland afford to stand alone as an independent nation? Surely not
 
How can the country socially heal when we've effectively given NI to the EU without asking them, and the next few years Scotland will be doing their best to extricate themselves from the UK and get the same terms as NI in the short term with a view to independence and EU membership?
I'm looking forward to the country finding out that a significant chunk of what cunty mccuntface in number 10 is promising is going to be near possible to implement in practise. It's all good and well promising to go to the moon, and getting everyone super giddy that we're going to go to the moon and it's going to be fucking ace, but when they find out that no ones been hired to build the rocket, oh, and the technology for the rocket doesn't exist yet, so i'm afraid we're just going to Rhyl instead......
 
Can Scotland afford to stand alone as an independent nation? Surely not
Why not?
There'll be no shortage of business transferring from England if Scotland achieve their ambition of becoming an EU member.
There'll also be no shortage of Scots living in England relocating back up there if the opportunities are better, and no shortage of English people doing the same subject to freedom of movement.
 
Apparently it took them longer to debate the Wild Animals In Circus Act - I think the jokes write themselves on this one......

But not the Benn act.

Parliament can move when it wants and at a pace it wants we got told when the Benn act went through in a day.

3 days is ample for a subject they have discussing for the last 3 years.

Get on with it.
 
Given the father of the house has already spoken about the time given, at present they are falling over themselves saying that they will vote but also saying that there is not enough scrutiny. I am expecting an amendment which will pass and have Johnson throwing a paddy and all this been withdrawn. MP's don't like being bounced or voting on a blind deal which this is. It has all the hallmarks of Cummings People V Parliament strategy and they want this to fail because its all part of the optics of the election campaign pending.
 
By everyone accepting the result of a democratic vote.

We have managed it for hundreds of years but all of a sudden, some cant/wont.

That’s not entirely True though. Since we voted in to the EU all those years ago a vocal group have never accepted it and tried to get us out as is their democratic right. The same will happen after his is eventually settled, it won’t heal he nation. This will drag on for years.
 
His question was addressed to @Chippy_boy to be fair. And with that in mind, I think he's wrong as I don't think Chippy ever said we should simply cancel Brexit, and he's always been in favour of honouring the referendum result even though it's not the result he desired. What he did do is passionately argue the case for remaining being the better option - so much so, that I took a lot of what he said on board in the run-up to the vote and even though I still voted to leave, he put his points across in layman's terms - points that actually carried some validity, which is more than can be said for the Remain campaign itself which seemed not to focus on all the good things about EU membership but instead all the bad things that might happen if we left. Not that the Leave campaign was any better of course.

They have been replying to both of us and even asking us both similar questions so I just thought I’d continue and answer.

To be fair I’ve not been for just cancelling Brexit at any stage either.

I even said if the government just revoked I’d be deeply worried about democracy.

I was for another referendum for a while but the more I see polling at close to 50/50, I just think there’s absolutely zero point and it’ll just further confuse the matter.

I’ve said for a while now we should leave with a deal and despite the fact I truly believe the economy will suffer, it’s the best chance to actually heal as a country and concentrate on getting the best out of this ever-changing world.

The next agenda should be to crush the Scottish Independence movement and cast Sturgeon in the same direction as Farage - the bin.
 
But not the Benn act.

Parliament can move when it wants and at a pace it wants we got told when the Benn act went through in a day.

3 days is ample for a subject they have discussing for the last 3 years.

Get on with it.
The Benn act was one page.
This one is 120 pages plus the same again in explanatory notes.
20 days would be appropriate not 3.
 
Why not?
There'll be no shortage of business transferring from England if Scotland achieve their ambition of becoming an EU member.
There'll also be no shortage of Scots living in England relocating back up there if the opportunities are better, and no shortage of English people doing the same subject to freedom of movement.
It will be interesting if the same ability to choose one or both nationalities is given to people both sides of the border as it is to those on the island of Ireland. Oh, and the English don't want a hard border either, otherwise there'll be trouble.
 
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