Another new Brexit thread

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mcfc1632 said:
I have said for some time now - if the UK genuinely leaves the EU before there is an Indyref2 then the likelihood will be that Scotland will vote to Remain in the UK with an increased majority

Setting aside emotion - that is the logic of objective and calm analysis
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No it isn't
 
blueinsa said:
Do you believe the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems etc will scrutinise the deal and pass it if they think it is fair?

I dont, in fact they have an amendment to not even discuss it.

Can you not see the issue with their position here?
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Add Labour who are whipping to support.
 
When all is said and done, both the parliamentary Conservative Party and Labour Party decided that implementing a narrow Leave win in an advisory referendum took precedence over protecting and safeguarding the Union. They took the decision to trigger Article 50 despite the fact that Scotland had voted clearly to Remain as had Northern Ireland. They did so irrespective of the fact there was not even an outline solution to the NI issue nor any view on the multiple types of Brexit possible. You could expect this from the Tories being under pressure from their loony right wing but Labour had no excuse. Once that hasty flawed decision was made, it was inevitable that any wrongdoing around the referendum (and there was an unprecidented amount) would be quickly kicked into the long grass and strangled.

Chickens have come home to roost and it is clear now that the Tories are driving hard for either a no deal or hard Brexit that ensures there is minimum alignment with the EU. Labour have slowly, glacially, moved their position from being a pro brexit party to one that wants the best of both worlds. History will not judge this process kindly and in the future it will be seen for what it is. A total abdication of parliamentary responsibility to do what should of been its primary responsibility, protecting the fabric of the Union.
 
BobKowalski said:
True. If you are a Nationalist. Not so much if you are a Unionist when economics isn’t the guiding principle.

Also Nicola in Scotland is taking a keen interest in these new arrangements :)
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Very true.

Nicola in Scotland can fuck off back down the hole she crawled out of.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
When all is said and done, both the parliamentary Conservative Party and Labour Party decided that implementing a narrow Leave win in an advisory referendum took precedence over protecting and safeguarding the Union. They took the decision to trigger Article 50 despite the fact that Scotland had voted clearly to Remain as had Northern Ireland. They did so irrespective of the fact there was not even an outline solution to the NI issue nor any view on the multiple types of Brexit possible. You could expect this from the Tories being under pressure from their loony right wing but Labour had no excuse. Once that hasty flawed decision was made, it was inevitable that any wrongdoing around the referendum (and there was an unprecidented amount) would be quickly kicked into the long grass and strangled.

Chickens have come home to roost and it is clear now that the Tories are driving hard for either a no deal or hard Brexit that ensures there is minimum alignment with the EU. Labour have slowly, glacially, moved their position from being a pro brexit party to one that wants the best of both worlds. History will not judge this process kindly and in the future it will be seen for what it is. A total abdication of parliamentary responsibility to do what should of been its primary responsibility, protecting the fabric of the Union.
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Nailed it.

Apart from the "of" instead of "have" on the last line ;-)
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I know they are underestimating the feeling in the country . Look I wish there was never a referendum at all and we are still in the eu and none of this happened

However there was one.

A lot of people who voted remain are democrats and understand that history tells us if you ignore a democratic vote of the people then bad shit happens. A very dangerous area for the country.

Labour moaning they haven’t enough time to scrutinise a long legal complex legal document but they want the people to vote on it . They are utter morons with no leadership. Has anybody seen Jeremy ?
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Nobody is or has ever advocated ignoring the result of the referendum.
 
BobKowalski said:
Because it takes time to analyse complex legislation. You read one section and then find it’s clarified/amended/reversed by another section or by an appendix so to make sense of the whole means constant back and forth and cross referencing. Then you have the legalise and what does this really mean and what is it’s intended effect and what is its real effect etc.

Demanding MPs do something in a hurry and then demanding MPs do their jobs properly are mutually exclusive.
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We should be leaving in 9 days time.

When I have a critical deadline at work I work 7am til 6pm all week and then sometimes into the weekends.

For an MP's salary of £80k a year I would read all 100 pages over and over, day and night, whatever it took.

Saddleworth2 said:
When all is said and done, both the parliamentary Conservative Party and Labour Party decided that implementing a narrow Leave win in an advisory referendum took precedence over protecting and safeguarding the Union. They took the decision to trigger Article 50 despite the fact that Scotland had voted clearly to Remain as had Northern Ireland. They did so irrespective of the fact there was not even an outline solution to the NI issue nor any view on the multiple types of Brexit possible. You could expect this from the Tories being under pressure from their loony right wing but Labour had no excuse. Once that hasty flawed decision was made, it was inevitable that any wrongdoing around the referendum (and there was an unprecidented amount) would be quickly kicked into the long grass and strangled.

Chickens have come home to roost and it is clear now that the Tories are driving hard for either a no deal or hard Brexit that ensures there is minimum alignment with the EU. Labour have slowly, glacially, moved their position from being a pro brexit party to one that wants the best of both worlds. History will not judge this process kindly and in the future it will be seen for what it is. A total abdication of parliamentary responsibility to do what should of been its primary responsibility, protecting the fabric of the Union.
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Almost 3m people in Wales, NI and Scotland voted to leave so how can we advocate ignoring them in the interests of a minority?

Added together, more people in the UK voted to leave so the best way to preserve the union is to enact what the union has decided to do.

Please remember - without Welsh, Scottish or NI leave votes, leave would not have won.
 
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