Another new Brexit thread

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BobKowalski said:
You are about 8 hours and fuck knows how many pages and posts too late with this one.

Firstly the Bill was published last night at around 8.00 pm. The Bill is a legal document of around 450 pages and we have allowed Parliament two days in which to absorb, debate and scrutinise its contents and its effects and impact on the country including the extraordinary proposal to put borders up in our internal market.

And your take along with the rest of the Brexit Brains Trust is to have a dig at Corbyn. My dog shits better takes than this.
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Maybe you could register your dog for the 'peoples vote'. A people's + their dogs vote would go the way of remain as I'm sure dogs wouldn't want to lose their pet passports.
 
Mike D said:
You don't have to be an MP to influence the tory party money talks!!
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The comment was made that "most" of the ERG are fund managers, or have interests closely connected to fund managers.

So I asked which MPs and so far 1 has been named. Somewhat short of "most". Ergo, the statement was made up bollocks by someone with prejudiced view lacking any and all objectivity.
 
Coatigan said:
And therein lies the problem. Brexit covered anything and everything anyone could possibly imagine. Ironically, it meant whatever ine wanted it to mean. The only one thing it didn't actually mean, is brexit. Remain meant remain. Now that we know the only realistic scenario, sursly it is fair to ask again.

And if it is still leave, via that deal then so be it. Leave on that deal, at least it stops further claims on both sides that it isnt what was voted for. Which is currently what the only actual majority is. i.e Those not getting what they voted for. (16m remain voters, plus whatever percentage of hard brexiters, plus whatever percentage of brexiters that won't sell off N.I, plus whatever percentage of brexiters that want EEA, CU, SM, or whatecer other conceivanle concept they thought they were getting).
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I get this argument mate, having made it myself many times.

But having switched to the dark side myself, I can see the flaw in it. We didn't ask what sort of "Remain" the remain camp wanted either. Would Remain winning, have meant an endorsement for the future adoption of Schengen? What about the Euro? How about an EU army? None of that was on the ballot paper either. Maybe a new referendum should focus on only one Remain option, so the Remain vote is divided, just as the Leave vote would be? That might be fair.

At the end of the day it was a binary vote and Leave won. We then leave it to Parliament - our representatives to enact that mandate, but using their best judgement to implement it as they best see fit. That's how our representative system of democracy is supposed to work. That's the bit our MPs forgot. I am all for them using their judgement and expertise, but within the context of the overall mandate. We must leave, and it's up to MPs to agree upon how.

For 3.5 years we've had deadlock over that. But what is needed to break this impasse is not another referendum, the objective of which is - let's face it - to cancel Brexit. That would solve nothing. What's needed is for MPs to do the right thing, swallow their ego's, personal motivations and party loyalties and vote for a deal, just as they happily voted for A50 in the first place.
 
One major enjoyment of all this is watching Francois go into meltdown and change skin colour like a chameleon depending on his mood - oh and that waddle out of number 10 the other night - that was priceless.
 
bluethrunthru said:
One major enjoyment of all this is watching Francois go into meltdown and change skin colour like a chameleon depending on his mood - oh and that waddle out of number 10 the other night - that was priceless.
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Chameleons have a bigger range of colour than Rose>>Deep Scarlet afaik mate.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I get this argument mate, having made it myself many times.

But having switched to the dark side myself, I can see the flaw in it. We didn't ask what sort of "Remain" the remain camp wanted either. Would Remain winning, have meant an endorsement for the future adoption of Schengen? What about the Euro? How about an EU army? None of that was on the ballot paper either. Maybe a new referendum should focus on only one Remain option, so the Remain vote is divided, just as the Leave vote would be? That might be fair.

At the end of the day it was a binary vote and Leave won. We then leave it to Parliament - our representatives to enact that mandate, but using their best judgement to implement it as they best see fit. That's how our representative system of democracy is supposed to work. That's the bit our MPs forgot. I am all for them using their judgement and expertise, but within the context of the overall mandate. We must leave, and it's up to MPs to agree upon how.

For 3.5 years we've had deadlock over that. But what is needed to break this impasse is not another referendum, the objective of which is - let's face it - to cancel Brexit. That would solve nothing. What's needed is for MPs to do the right thing, swallow their ego's, personal motivations and party loyalties and vote for a deal, just as they happily voted for A50 in the first place.
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What made you switch sides? Was it just fatigue or being a Tory you like the cut of Boris's jib and want to give him a run at governing us?
 
Debate has gone surreal now.
How to get the DUP on side - Owen Paterson in support of Brexit quoting a speech by the late great Irish revolutionary Michael Collins in favour of the 1921 Anglo Irish treaty!
If Collins had lived in today's world, Paterson would not be fit to lace the Big Fella's boots.
 
Chippy_boy said:
...For 3.5 years we've had deadlock over that. But what is needed to break this impasse is not another referendum, the objective of which is - let's face it - to cancel Brexit. That would solve nothing. What's needed is for MPs to do the right thing, swallow their ego's, personal motivations and party loyalties and vote for a deal, just as they happily voted for A50 in the first place.
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...and then followed 2.5 years of pain, deadlock and division :)

At some point the deal will go through but all we are buying is more of the same. As soon we sit down to phase two negotiations we will be obliged to start talking about extending transition and paying more money into the EU and being subject to EU laws for another year, two years whatever.

ERG Tories will say this is unacceptable, Farage will bang on about this ‘surrender Act’, Labour will say no deal is unacceptable blah, blah. No one will invest in NI if they have to vote on their customs arrangements every four years and no one will look long term at the U.K. if we keep going through this no deal nonsense every year or so.

We’re already fucked mate. We just don’t want to accept it.
 
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