The Lib Dems will take more votes from the Tories than from Labour, there's a lot of fiscally conservative remain areas.If the Brexit party can't win a by election in Peterborough I struggle to see them winning in the labour heartlands. Never underestimate the labour ground campaign (and the dodgy postal voting).
Judging by the polls though the Tories should get a majority especially with the Lib dems taking votes off Labour. They also got more seats last election despite May being leader and their only notable manifesto pledge being fox hunting.
Would love to see mps in places like Oldham their get comeuppance though.
Think this will be kept to a minimum in marginal seats where the levels of tactical voting will be hugely significant.Judging by the polls though the Tories should get a majority especially with the Lib dems taking votes off Labour.
The Tories will win by 50-75 seats.
Labour will be absolutely anhiliated all over the north and the south outside London.
Lib Dems will gain seats because they're coming from a very low base and remain labour votes may go to them .
The Scots will win indyref2 , as is their right, and we will have decades of Tory govt in England .
And all because Corbyn and McDonnell decided to throw their lot in with the boardroom and gangster CEO class whilst spitting on the cleaners and shop floor workers. But he'll likely get a lordship from it so I doubt the lying twat will be even slightly arsed.
Completely agree. Cobryn doesn’t seem the spitting type to me.Bollocks
I wanted to come back to this. You think they'll take between 70 and 100 seats off every other party with the BXP in play? On a 52:48 pitch?The Tories will win by 50-75 seats
Labour don't really exist in the south outside London, it's Tory heartland. Plus the north don't vote Tory. Lib Dems will be eyeing up every remain seat in the south too.Labour will be absolutely anhiliated all over the north and the south outside London.
Why would remain voters in a marginal Labour/Tory seat risk handing the seat to Johnson and risk a hard or no deal Brexit by voting Lib Dems? Far better to vote tactically. The only constituencies where this comes into play are marginal Labour/ Tory remain seats where Tory voters decamp to Lib Dems and hand Labour the seat and marginal Labour/ Tory leave seats where Labour voters decamp to the BXP to give the seat to the Tories. Labour have big fuck off majorities in a lot of those seats. Hence the 2% difference in voting share last time translating into the Tories being 70 seats ahead.Lib Dems will gain seats because they're coming from a very low base and remain labour votes may go to them .
There's a lot of pissed off Labour leave areas too.The Lib Dems will take more votes from the Tories than from Labour, there's a lot of fiscally conservative remain areas.
There are. But the majority of labour voters in them by and large voted remain and labour had big majorities. Tories need to get enough votes to overtake labour under FPTP but they'll be competing with the BXP for any dropped labour votes. Plus Lib Dems won't make any effort in those seats. They can't win them for themselves they can only lose them for Labour who are loose allies.There's a lot of pissed off Labour leave areas too.
you seem to have a muddled and confused day yesterdayWell, doesn't that just sum up the whole argument about how daft the referendum was?
Vote Leave - and then I'll tell you how awful it will be.
Good oneJust for the record, I work in the medical school at Manchester University. If you ever need surgery to help you remove yourself from up your own arse, I may be able to point you in the direction of people who can help.
I was distinguishing between those at Westminster and the public - including people on this forumAbsolutely not. Remainers are entitled to say what they think and are entitled to oppose Brexit, after all it is a bad idea overall and has been handled worse.
What people say on this forum has zero bearing on what happens in parliament and remainers have been ignored by those in power since the vote, despite the vote being very close.
They’re perfectly entitled to their opinions on the matter and they shouldn’t have to curb what they think just because leave had the majority in the referendum, that’s not how democracies work.
That said, I personally am sick to fucking death of this and with a deal in sight, better than May’s, I want us to leave with it.
So - your point appears to be a version of "The people are too stupid...."Said constituents probably don't realise voting this bill through will not end the agony.
We'll have years of negotiating for a free trade agreement after our exit deal is secured
Yes, mate. You really, really struggle with ‘I told you so’.Good one
Still - the bottom line is that whilst I have received pelters for 3 years - I have been consistently proven to be correct as events have unfolded
I accept though that I should rise above 'I told you so' - just hard when dealing with some on here
If the Tories come to a deal with TBP by standing down in Labour seats with >= +7.5% Labour majority then it could be a very interesting election indeed. Otherwise it will be a hung Parliament again.
The trouble with standing down is that it means acknowledging that they cannot get a majority by themselves. That's a difficult thing for the party to do.
Labour don’t need more seats, SNP and Liberals will get more, the DUP wont trust Johnson. Tories will need to gain quite a few seats somewhere and with the BP and expelled tories fighting against them it will be difficult to win a majority.
Corbyn isn't the one trying to impose artificial deadlines to pressure MPs to vote for something they haven't had a chance to evaluate. He isn't the one using language such as 'dead in a ditch'. He isn't the one taking his ball home when he doesn't get to play dictator. Johnson is finding out the difference between being a back seat driver and actually taking charge and he's not liking it if you ask me. Should have taken a leaf out of his mate Nigel's book and stayed where he could snipe and blather without being accountable.
They're finished .... Labour stood up last night and said that the WAB can pass but not without scrutiny and certainly not with the removal of the workers rights and consumer and environmental protections.
The offer was made to work with the Tories to get the bill through but they didn't accept .... because its not about the bill is it ... it was about the date and avoiding Eu anti tax avoidance legislation
Labour have simply protected their voters and have always said that they would honour Brexit as long as it delivered what was originally promised. We have to be honest with ourselves and admit where it finally ended up was a long way short of that.