Another new Brexit thread

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bluejon said:
You didn't offend my sensibilities, I just find that particular phrase annoying as hell. As for the second, who knows, maybe I am qualified to make that statement? Time will tell if my prediction is correct or not. As I said, I'll be bloody happy if it isn't because it's going to be a right mess for a significant number of people if it is. This is a no win situation for me, I don't want to be right.
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Ok - putting aside that I would doubt that you are any more qualified than I am - at least you are in a win win situation

If you are wrong then you can be happy - if you are right then you can remind us that you told us so;-)
 
Vic said:
If it's done and dusted and over, why are you all still here annoying those of us who are looking beyond the effective but dishonest "Get it done" slogan?
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I am guessing that it is the collective commitment to performing missionary work
 
bluethrunthru said:
I respect your " I'm alright Jack " view ( although decent equity in the house is dependant on a bouyant housing market which is easily crashed ) I am interested in your evidence - thats proper researched evidence not just your wish - that the EU is going to go tits up. Based upon your detailed research would you therefore propose not even trying to get a trade deal with the EU?
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I read it differently to you. The EU was the answer to your question about who was in the stronger position. I think he meant that it’s us going tits up with Brexit and he’s not wrong.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Mate we are full on crash and burn - of course its done and dusted. However if anyone in a Leave voting or Tory voting ( GE 2019 ) area have zero sympathy for them because whatever they are moaning about they knew what was coming they told us they did and they voted for it. Its their misfortune, they won it and they will have to take the consequences.
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Well - disappointing as it is - I guess the majority of the nation will just have to get on with things without your endorsement
 
@Ric

About time this thread was closed.

Brexit is happening, probably by Friday.No point debating the same points over and over again.
 
mat said:
@Ric

About time this thread was closed.

Brexit is happening, probably by Friday.No point debating the same points over and over again.
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We probably need somewhere to discuss the effects of Brexit as they happen.
The Leavers all seem to think that their opinion that it’s all going to be great have been justified by the election result and anyone questioning whether it will be a success is in denial. I’ve still not seen a single argument that explains clearly why it’s more likely to be positive than negative.
We know it’s happening now and most of us want to make the best of it. It doesn’t mean that it’s not going to be shit for a huge number of people including many who voted for it.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve voted three times against Brexit.

1. The referendum itself
2. Euros recently (2017 GE didn’t count as all parties backed Brexit then)
3. This GE just gone

I think it’s high time I just let it go and I have done just that.

The public want it, the public are getting it and it’s been proven time and again now.

Just let it go is what people should be doing.
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Do you really expect us to give Johnson a free pass on whatever nonsense he makes of it? Something tells me that if he went for a soft Brexit, the "let it go" people would want somewhere to shout betrayal.
 
west didsblue said:
We probably need somewhere to discuss the effects of Brexit as they happen.
The Leavers all seem to think that their opinion that it’s all going to be great have been justified by the election result and anyone questioning whether it will be a success is in denial. I’ve still not seen a single argument that explains clearly why it’s more likely to be positive than negative.
We know it’s happening now and most of us want to make the best of it. It doesn’t mean that it’s not going to be shit for a huge number of people including many who voted for it.
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I agree.

A new thread to discuss its direction after the bill is passed its first and second readings?
 
bluethrunthru said:
I respect your " I'm alright Jack " view ( although decent equity in the house is dependant on a bouyant housing market which is easily crashed ) I am interested in your evidence - thats proper researched evidence not just your wish - that the EU is going to go tits up. Based upon your detailed research would you therefore propose not even trying to get a trade deal with the EU?
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I think you've misread what I was saying. I don't think the EU is going to go tits up, it's us who I think is going to go tits up. And I can promise you that wasn't an 'i'm alright jack' post, it was a 'we're battening down the hatches for incoming shit' post. I'm expecting the housing market to drop, it's why we're not getting a bigger mortgage.

*just to be clear, if johnson does think the EU are going to bend and do it all for him, he's pissing in the wind. the entitled prick has always got his way though, so he probably thinks it'll happen again
 
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Mëtal Bikër said:
Substitute England for Germany and Scotland for the UK and you have the criticisms a number of people have about the UK's relationship with the EU.

I keep saying the IndyRef was a trial run for the EURef.
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I tried it, not at all the same arguement. Not this time anyway.

But, hey, if you think this precious union of 300 odd years is of the same significance as some 30odd years of a trading block, i stand corrected.

i do get your point though, on the parallels, in some aspects.
 
Vic said:
Do you really expect us to give Johnson a free pass on whatever nonsense he makes of it? Something tells me that if he went for a soft Brexit, the "let it go" people would want somewhere to shout betrayal.
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What do you propose we do then, Vic?
 
Coatigan said:
I tried it, not at all the same arguement. Not this time anyway.

But, hey, if you think this precious union of 300 odd years is of the same significance as some 30odd years of a trading block, i stand corrected.

i do get your point though, on the parallels, in some aspects.
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I suspect many South of the border see the so called 'precious' union between England and Scotland as similar to a separated wife who we continue to subsidise yet all we get back in return is endless moaning! Many yearn for that inevitable divorce. ;-)
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I suspect many South of the border see the so called 'precious' union between England and Scotland as similar to a separated wife who we continue to subsidise yet all we get back in return is endless moaning! Many yearn for that inevitable divorce. ;-)
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Again, point (continuously) proved.
 
Coatigan said:
I tried it, not at all the same arguement. Not this time anyway.

But, hey, if you think this precious union of 300 odd years is of the same significance as some 30odd years of a trading block, i stand corrected.

i do get your point though, on the parallels, in some aspects.
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That's because the parallels are precisely what I meant.

Some of us believe that our relationship with Europe should be exactly what some Scots believe should be with England. You don't hate the English, do you? You don't hate England? You want to continue to trade with England, right? Retain some semblance of a relationship? All you're saying is you want to end the political association with England. You see Scotland prospering outside of the UK union and your sole desire is to merely be a trading partner, not a political partner.
 
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