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Mëtal Bikër said:
I'm not saying that, how many times!

You want to go to Europe, then go. Stop whinging and go. No-one's stopping you. Just like anyone saying they are going to leave for Canada. Go. No-one's stopping you.
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I am sorry, but you are just wrong.

(a) Post Brexit, you may very well need a visa
(b) You very well may not be allowed to stay and may be send back to the UK

Plenty of people are stopping you. Trying getting on a plane to the US without an ESTA. Good luck with that.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I am sorry, but you are just wrong.

(a) Post Brexit, you may very well need a visa
(b) You very well may not be allowed to stay and may be send back to the UK

Plenty of people are stopping you. Trying getting on a plane to the US without an ESTA. Good luck with that.
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I'm not arguing logistics or capabilities.

This is astonishing. A simple, rephrased comment to mean "well fuck off then" is being debated this much. When people whinge that brexit has "cost them their freedom" all I can think of is Greta doing her "how dare you" speech.
 
west didsblue said:
Correct.
In the countries where they don't meet the new residency criteria post Brexit, they can be illegal immigrants. Simples.
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So all this time, we had our "rights" to move to the United States denied us because we're not in a union with them.

Fucking LOL.
 
KS55 said:
This article demonstrates a way forward BUT, as I understand it, Germany is opposed to such arrangements, while France is in favour of them. Pls correct me if I am wrong.
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France is the driving force for the full integration - EFS in that model.

There are issues - as I understand it - between Berlin and Paris, but these are largely down to the concern of Germany with regard to the scope and pace of integration and the ability of that to be managed without further fractures and with some countries (southern ones) not being 'capable/ready'.

A thorough design of such a model would determine the criteria required to be met for the progression of countries through those zones and, for those that meet the criteria, the timing for implementation. Others could be slotted into other Zones and progressed when ready - with well defined interfaces between the zones.

For me it would appear that the planning of such a model would have become the vehicle for the realisation of the 5 Presidents strategy and address the risk of some countries not being able to 'make the journey'.

Had Brexit not happened, I am sure that the 5 Presidents strategy would have led to such a design with a 'new Lisbon Treaty' being brought forward to confirm the constitutional changes and the planning of the transition.

Brexit has been a real bastard for that strategy.
 
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west didsblue said:
Wtf are you on about?
It's certainly nothing to do with the point being made.
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Chippy_boy said:
I think you have answered your own question here really. The very action of exploring scenario 2 for the UK would have dimished the chances of scenario 1 becoming the outcome. So yes, I suspect they were confident Brexit would get binned (or become BRINO, with the UK still bound by EU rules) provided they didn't put anything more attractive on the table.

Now option 1 is off the table, it will be very interesting to see if the EU blink first in the ensuing negotiations. For the first time in 3 years they are faced with the very real possibility of signifcant damage to EU trade unless they compromise on some of their red lines. Steadfastly saying there can be no free movement of goods, capital and services without free movement of people - for example - is easy talk when there was no prospect of a hard Brexit. Now there is, so will they start to change their tune?
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And as to your last line: "...... is easy talk when there was no prospect of a hard Brexit. Now there is, so will they start to change their tune?"

This just again shows the truth of the oft repeated (and decried by those either incredibly hard of understanding or in such a level of denial that they prefer to deceive themselves) statement that:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until faced with a viable walk-away option and the political will to use it"

That this was always true now becomes increasingly obvious - and it will be often evidenced in the coming months
 
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This seemed to start here: Page 2794/2800

(the 87% article source has some interesting caveats at the end which rather undermine any use of the specific figure of vote outcome, but that's not relevant to this)

Agueroooo:
For the benefits we gain an 87% agreement rate is pretty decent imo for the benefits we get through the EU.
A stronger economy, freedom to live, work and be educated in some of the most beautiful places in the world without restriction. A shame that we'll lose all of these

MB:
The fact is, for a partner such as the UK, it should be 100%, if we really cared about the "project". We don't so let's make it about trade. 87% clearly says, "yeah, let's just make trade and work easier"
You're not restricted at all. You can still migrate, travel and work in the EU just as you can anywhere else in the world.
You're portraying a "remoaner" stereotype right now with these arguments, and i've already had them

Ifwecouldjust:
Err no .... you cant .... as a third country you cannot stay / live in the Eu for more than 6 months out of any 12 month period ...... so you wont be able to retire to the Eu (those that are there already should be ok as long as the UK reciprocates)..... so thanks for that

MB:
Yes you can, you can apply for citizenship.
You want to live/retire in a country in Europe, nobody is stopping you.
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It's a fairly significant restriction from now to post-Brexit if someone will need a visa or even to apply for citizenship in an EU country.

So what does 'nobody is stopping you' mean?
 
MillionMilesAway said:
This seemed to start here: Page 2794/2800

(the 87% article source has some interesting caveats at the end which rather undermine any use of the specific figure of vote outcome, but that's not relevant to this)

Agueroooo:
For the benefits we gain an 87% agreement rate is pretty decent imo for the benefits we get through the EU.
A stronger economy, freedom to live, work and be educated in some of the most beautiful places in the world without restriction. A shame that we'll lose all of these

MB:
The fact is, for a partner such as the UK, it should be 100%, if we really cared about the "project". We don't so let's make it about trade. 87% clearly says, "yeah, let's just make trade and work easier"
You're not restricted at all. You can still migrate, travel and work in the EU just as you can anywhere else in the world.
You're portraying a "remoaner" stereotype right now with these arguments, and i've already had them

Ifwecouldjust:
Err no .... you cant .... as a third country you cannot stay / live in the Eu for more than 6 months out of any 12 month period ...... so you wont be able to retire to the Eu (those that are there already should be ok as long as the UK reciprocates)..... so thanks for that

MB:
Yes you can, you can apply for citizenship.
You want to live/retire in a country in Europe, nobody is stopping you.
**

It's a fairly significant restriction from now to post-Brexit if someone will need a visa or even to apply for citizenship in an EU country.

So what does 'nobody is stopping you' mean?
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"You want to fuck off, fuck off" Basically.

You can migrate to anywhere in the world. Why all the whinging about the EU.

This is becoming hilarious. People getting analytical about a basic "you want to go, then go" response.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
No I'm pretty sure you and MB don't understand freedom of movement, but carry on.
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This, coming from the guy who didn't read the article he posted then quickly went from "pfft, we've only disagreed with the EU 2% of the time" to "well 87% isn't that bad imo".
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
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The vast majority of the people complaining about losing the right to live and work in the EU have no intention of exercising that right. The percentage is tiny and most of them are middle class relatively well off people who don't give a fuck that freedom of movement has provided a steady stream of low skilled migrants that have suppressed the wages of working class people for years, and the vast majority of them will be granted a visa if they apply for one.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
This, coming from the guy who didn't read the article he posted then quickly went from "pfft, we've only disagreed with the EU 2% of the time" to "well 87% isn't that bad imo".
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I was factually correct, we've only voted against the EU in 2% of laws proposed over the last 20 years.

Unlike your total fantasy of nobody is stopping you moving to the EU.
 
hgblue said:
The vast majority of the people complaining about losing the right to live and work in the EU have no intention of exercising that right. The percentage is tiny and most of them are middle class relatively well off people who don't give a fuck that freedom of movement has provided a steady stream of low skilled migrants that have suppressed the wages of working class people for years, and the vast majority of them will be granted a visa if they apply for one.
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100% this.
They're whining about something they were never even planning on executing. It's crocodile tears.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
I was factually correct, we've only voted against the EU in 2% of laws proposed over the last 20 years.

Unlike your total fantasy of nobody is stopping you moving to the EU.
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This is golden.

You twisted the facts to suit your own agenda and conveniently ignored the rest of the facts that countered your "argument".
 
hgblue said:
The vast majority of the people complaining about losing the right to live and work in the EU have no intention of exercising that right. The percentage is tiny and most of them are middle class relatively well off people who don't give a fuck that freedom of movement has provided a steady stream of low skilled migrants that have suppressed the wages of working class people for years, and the vast majority of them will be granted a visa if they apply for one.
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You have no fucking idea. The vast majority I meet day to day are normal working class people who retired over here in Spain because of the difference in lifestyle and the fact that their pensions go a lot further.
They are now getting very worried as they won’t be able to afford the healthcare that they’ve been getting and unless they have a certain amount in the bank they will not even be able to get private (which many can’t afford anyway)
They are also worried that they will only be able to stay for a certain amount of time before they have to return. Thee are folk who have lived here years and suddenly find the rug pulled from underneath them.
Hopefully talk of the uk and Spain reaching an agreement will come to fruition but if not, make no mistake there will be thousands affected.
 
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