Another new Brexit thread

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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
  • 2016 - No Border checks
  • 2017 - No Border checks
  • 2018 - Absolutely No Border checks
  • 2019 - No Border checks under any circumstances.
  • 2020 - We always said there would be Border checks . Thats what you voted for.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-goods-inevitable-gove-tells-business-leaders
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I suppose it all comes down to what form any border checks take. Brexiteers will have you believe it's a straightforward process involving minimal extra bureaucracy, while Remainers envisage every lorry being stripped to the chassis as if it were suspected of carrying semtex or cocaine across the border.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I have done so before at length. Can't be arsed doing so again as you don't listen.
The only difficulty is the change over. Still the Government have a transition plan for that now, which will start to roll out in June regardless of how negotiations go. That said with the amount of Remainers in the Civil Service, they may fuck that up on purpose.
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I thought the Tory line was to blame the Eu for any problems?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Analogies are always flawed. But continuing your analogy, I am Tiger Woods.

The club would really like it if I continue to use the course, notwithstanding my shitty attitude about fees and rules. So now what are we to do? I want to play there and the club wants me to. Is the club going to bar Tiger Woods from the course? Or are they going to come to sort kind of compromise where we both win?
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The problem with your analogy is that the UK is not Tiger Woods........ its an ageing golfer who thinks he's better than he actually is .... but in reality needs the help of younger club members to help him get round the course.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I suppose it all comes down to what form any border checks take. Brexiteers will have you believe it's a straightforward process involving minimal extra bureaucracy, while Remainers envisage every lorry being stripped to the chassis as if it were suspected of carrying semtex or cocaine across the border.
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Your daily reminder that Vote Leave promised to slash red tape and set business ‘free’.

Happier times.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The problem with your analogy is that the UK is not Tiger Woods........ its an ageing golfer who thinks he's better than he actually is .... but in reality needs the help of younger club members to help him get round the course.
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You’ve just described Tiger Woods there, as he is now.

The fact is he’s still Tiger Woods, despite being older and not being able to produce like he used to.

The name alone makes him sought after and he’s still got a lot up his sleeve, that the course wants.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Imagine what level of preparation could have been done in 4 years - but first Cameron and then May prevented any appropriate preparations
Anyway what is done is done and the clock cannot be turned back.
The UK enters 2020 in a worse state than we were in 2017 thanks to May/Robbins and the WA - it looks like No-Deal will need to become the planning assumption - with possibly the usual EU 11th hour deal being agreed.
But the only thing May ever got right was that No-Deal is better than a bad deal
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Please note the use of the term 'No Deal' has been banned by the Government.
Yours
George ( Orwell).
 
I have just visited the thread for the first time since Saturday...…………..

it's been a ray of sunshine in the brexit shit-storm of self-indulgent lie-fest
 
Ban-jani said:
You’ve just described Tiger Woods there, as he is now.

The fact is he’s still Tiger Woods, despite being older and not being able to produce like he used to.

The name alone makes him sought after and he’s still got a lot up his sleeve, that the course wants.
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Which was precisely why I chose him.

And why the "EU is like a golf club and if we want to use the course then we have to pay the green fees and obey the rules" argument is overly simplistic.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Which was precisely why I chose him.

And why the "EU is like a golf club and if we want to use the course then we have to pay the green fees and obey the rules" argument is overly simplistic.
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But you need to dumb it down for brexiteers as they keep repeating blatant misinformation and lies.

The EU is very much like a golf club, it has a rule book and full members who get to use all the facilities and get seats on the committees who make the decisions. All decisions on the rules and policies are going to be in the interest of the club and putting its members first. And then you have non members or part members who all have some level of restriction on the access to the facilities.
 
Gaudion M said:
But you need to dumb it down for brexiteers as they keep repeating blatant misinformation and lies.

The EU is very much like a golf club, it has a rule book and full members who get to use all the facilities and get seats on the committees who make the decisions. All decisions on the rules and policies are going to be in the interest of the club and putting its members first. And then you have non members or part members who all have some level of restriction on the access to the facilities.
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We seem to be going around in circles.

The point stands that were Tiger Woods to be a member of said club and decides to leave, then the question as to what access the club might give him would be rather more nuanced than just saying "here's the schedule of green fees and the rule book".

Bizarre that this rather basic concept is so difficult for some people to grasp. Mr Woods' continued playing at the club is to the club's benefit and whilst they don't want him playing in beach shorts and a tee shirt, at the same time they don't want him never showing his face their again. So a compromise would likely be sought.
 
Gaudion M said:
But you need to dumb it down for brexiteers
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The problem with your analogy is that the UK is not Tiger Woods........ its an ageing golfer who thinks he's better than he actually is .... but in reality needs the help of younger club members to help him get round the course.
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mcfc1632 said:
Have you ever said anything positive about the UK?
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Luv the Union me.
That's why no Prime Minister should ever "contemplate" it's break up, let alone a Tory PM.
 
Vic said:
Hansard yesterday.

EU Single Market Access: Manufacturing and the Economy
Alison Thewliss (Glasgow Central) (SNP)
Figures released this morning by the Office for National Statistics show that GDP was flat in quarter four, growth is at one of its slowest rates since the financial crisis, the service sector is stagnating, and manufacturing has been particularly hard hit. When will the Chancellor accept the reality that these Tory Brexit plans are playing havoc with the economy, and damaging the wellbeing and prospects of all our constituents?

Sajid Javid
The hon. Lady will know that growth would have been hit by the uncertainty created in this Parliament before the general election. Since the general election, confidence is back because this country has said no to Marxism and has got on with Brexit.

Alison Thewliss
The Chancellor puts forward a ridiculous prospect of the choices facing this country, because Brexit is the real and present danger for the economy. Just-in-time manufacturing is a critical part of the economy. Elizabeth de Jong of the Freight Transport Association has said of the revelation that the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster’s smart border will not be ready until 2025: “Frictionless trade has been kicked to the touchline… It’s going to be really costly for business.” Can the Chancellor tell me what impact four years of Brexit chaos at the border will have on the UK economy and jobs in manufacturing in all our constituencies?

Sajid Javid
The hon. Lady talks about the importance of manufacturing. Since the change in Government in 2010, we have seen 58% growth in auto manufacturing and 22% growth in aerospace manufacturing.

Me: has anyone got any idea where he gets 58% from? And why he didn't mention the slump since the referendum?
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Here's the actual figures:
2019 1,303,135
2018 1,519,440
2017 1,671,166
2016 1,722,698
2015 1,587,677
2014 1,528,148
2013 1,509,762
2012 1,464,906
2011 1,343,810
2010 1,270,444
2009 999,460
2008 1,446,619
2007 1,534,567
2006 1,442,085
2005 1,595,697
2004 1,646,750
2003 1,657,558

My guess he's taking his figures from 2009 to the 2015 election. He did, of course, neglect to mention the 22% drop since the vote to leave the EU following 6 years of steady growth from 2010 to 1016 which is obviously nothing to do with Brexit but all to do with EU-Japan deal/Diesel bad/switch to electric (delete as appropriate) even though production in France has gone up over the same period.
 
west didsblue said:
It's odd how these same people who accuse others of talking down the UK are the ones that were delighted that Boris agreed a WA that sold NI down the river.
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I think the NI issue will get thorny for BJ. If he does go all out no deal crazy over the next few months then NI comes back and bites him in the ass. There clearly never was and never will be a solution to the NI border / the GF agreement and leaving the EU. The only solution anyone can see at this point is the reunification of Ireland.
 
west didsblue said:
It's odd how these same people who accuse others of talking down the UK are the ones that were delighted that Boris agreed a WA that sold NI down the river.
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You don’t believe it sold NI down the river do you?

They’ve got a great opportunity there now, being in both trading unions essentially.
 
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