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blueparrot said:
If it's the great deal and best of both worlds or not it was still imposed without any endorsement from those living thereafter being told it wouldn't happen. The same so called great deal is also denied other parts of the UK whether they want it or not.Hardly seems like a union being treated equally. If it's such a great deal why not let the whole UK in on it.
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It was endorsed in a referendum and future elections, they had their say like the rest of us. Don’t like being in a union because you don’t get exactly what you? There is an obvious solution to this slapped arsery. I have seen some desperate shit from remainers but this one is a classic.

I hate this club you are all mean

Why

Well you 3 got 10 pound each and I got 12 sniff
 
west didsblue said:
You're absolutely correct that the government don't run manufacturing, however they should be doing their best to make the business environment as conducive as possible for manufacturers to be successful and profitable. So far they are achieving this by introducing uncertainty for supply chains across international borders, promising additional complexity in managing imports and exports and promising to curtail the availability of labour by making the UK a less attractive environment for workers from abroad.
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Whereas doing things like:
  • Unilaterally increasing corporation tax to a level which results in the highest corporate tax burden of anywhere in the EU (the rate isn't highest but the scope is broad, and mean allowances)
  • Introducing "Collective Blackmailing", sorry "Collective Bargaining" to get businesses over a barrel with wage demands
  • Making striking easier and allowing secondary picketing
  • Meddling with company structures and requiring worker representations on boards and mandatory share schemes (i.e costs)
  • Getting rid of zero hours contracts
  • Restricting executive pay

Would have all done wonders for our competitiveness, investment and attractiveness from a foreign investor's perspective?

Only an idiot would think the above are good ideas. And fortunately out of the 40-odd million voters there are not enough idiots.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Whereas doing things like:
  • Unilaterally increasing corporation tax to a level which results in the highest corporate tax burden of anywhere in the EU (the rate isn't highest but the scope is broad, and mean allowances)
  • Introducing "Collective Blackmailing", sorry "Collective Bargaining" to get businesses over a barrel with wage demands
  • Making striking easier and allowing secondary picketing
  • Meddling with company structures and requiring worker representations on boards and mandatory share schemes (i.e costs)
  • Getting rid of zero hours contracts
  • Restricting executive pay

Would have all done wonders for our competitiveness, investment and attractiveness from a foreign investor's perspective. Of course.
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I think you're mistaking me for someone who wanted a Corbyn government.
Do you have an answer to the points I actually raised other than some irrelevant whataboutery?
 
hilts said:
It was endorsed in a referendum and future elections, they had their say like the rest of us. Don’t like being in a union because you don’t get exactly what you? There is an obvious solution to this slapped arsery. I have seen some desperate shit from remainers but this one is a classic.

I hate this club you are all mean

Why

Well you 3 got 10 pound each and I got 12 sniff
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Just want the same options as another part of the United Kingdom , is that bad ?
 
west didsblue said:
I think you're mistaking me for someone who wanted a Corbyn government.
Do you have an answer to the points I actually raised other than some irrelevant whataboutery?
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And I think you are confusing a statement with a question ;-) You didn't ask me any questions.

I don't disagree with what you say. But it is not the government which has decided to take us out of the EU, it is the people. Neither are the difficulties in certain sectors of UK manufacturing entirely down to Brexit. The car industry has been in a mess ever since Dieselgate and all car manufacturers globally are in trouble with declining sales and the gigantic investment needed to switch over to electric.

The best thing the government can do to support industry is to interfere as little as possible, with light touch regulation and low taxes. And even if required direct support in terms of grants or what-have-you. Brexit is happening and we have to make the best of it. And much of the above would be difficult or impossible whilst chained to the EU.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
And I think you are confusing a statement with a question ;-) You didn't ask me any questions.

I don't disagree with what you say. But it is not the government which has decided to take us out of the EU, it is the people. Neither are the difficulties in certain sectors of UK manufacturing entirely down to Brexit. The car industry has been in a mess ever since Dieselgate and all car manufacturers globally are in trouble with declining sales and the gigantic investment needed to switch over to electric.

The best thing the government can do to support industry is to interfere as little as possible, with light touch regulation and low taxes. And even if required direct support in terms of grants or what-have-you. Brexit is happening and we have to make the best of it. And much of the above would be difficult or impossible whilst chained to the EU.
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LMFAO !

It's not the Government's fault it's the people !

1. The referendum was advisory
2. The very people who headed the leave campaign are now the Government
3. Parliament is sovereign and the Conservatives hold a large majority.
4. Brexit and it's effects are absolutely on this Government
 
Chippy_boy said:
And I think you are confusing a statement with a question ;-) You didn't ask me any questions.

I don't disagree with what you say. But it is not the government which has decided to take us out of the EU, it is the people. Neither are the difficulties in certain sectors of UK manufacturing entirely down to Brexit. The car industry has been in a mess ever since Dieselgate and all car manufacturers globally are in trouble with declining sales and the gigantic investment needed to switch over to electric.

The best thing the government can do to support industry is to interfere as little as possible, with light touch regulation and low taxes. And even if required direct support in terms of grants or what-have-you. Much of which would be difficult or impossible whilst chained to the EU.
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It is the government who are implementing the will of the people and any consequences of their implementation are owned by them.
 
Chippy_boy said:
. But it is not the government which has decided to take us out of the EU, it is the people.
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But without the initial decision to hold the (advisory) referendum we would still be in the EU.
And it was the Government's decision to hold that referendum?
And then they decided it was not advisory when every other democracy treats referendums as advisory or subject to meeting minimum criteria.
Brexit is down to the Tory Government.
 
remember arthur mann said:
Javid resigns !
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Shame, and good news both at the same time. Shame because he was a good guy, but good news because it was him who was behind the tax increases being mooted. There were no suggestions of cuts to inheritance tax allowances, reductions in pensions tax relief nor imposition of mansion taxes in the manifesto and it was wholly wrong to consider introducing such, just 2 months after winning the GE.
 
Len Rum said:
But without the initial decision to hold the (advisory) referendum we would still be in the EU.
And it was the Government's decision to hold that referendum?
And then they decided it was not advisory when every other democracy treats referendums as advisory or subject to meeting minimum criteria.
Brexit is down to the Tory Government.
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And nothing whatsoever down to the incompetence of a Labour opposition incapable of winning an election after 10 years of Tory austerity. Presumably that's your position as well eh Lenny lad.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Good spot. Labour opposition.
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In answer to your point, no it's 100% down to the government.
The incompetence of the opposition makes it even more the responsibility of the government as they have not got themselves in a position where they can influence anything at all.
 
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