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BobKowalski said:
What I was actually doing was taking the piss. Hence ‘got to love the irony’ of a man campaigning throughout 2016 on the ‘horror’ of Europeans coming to the UK, making it more difficult and expensive for Europeans already living here and introducing an immigration policy to do the same.

If you want deceit then try looking at yourself as you pretend a policy that gives citizens, including ourselves, the legal right of freedom of movement within 30 countries free from Govt interference is discrimination. To pretend this is either dishonesty or stupidity. Pick one. Or both.
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Discrimination is what we don't (didn't) do with EU citizens. And it's what we have done with non-EU citizens by making them jump through hoops to come here. The EU didn't make us discriminate against citizens of the world. We already did that.

Apparently we are now going to discriminate against more people than now and this will be fairer discrimination.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
We're no longer going to be contributing to the EU budget
We're free to engage and have relationships with other nations outside the EU in any manner we choose
We're no longer regarded as "EU citizens"
We're no longer connected to the EU Parliament
We're no longer committed to an isolationist bloc that shuts out the entire world and only promotes its own members, whilst disregarding the needs and terms of the rest of the world
We're no longer endorsing or promoting the "EU PROJECT", nor are our taxes/funds, resources and facilities being used to support its creation.

Naturally to a federal EU supporter like yourself these are not "benefits". They are to those who are opposed to what the EU has become. It'd be like trying to "convince" a rag on the benefits of supporting City. You've already chosen your outlook so I really don't know why you keep asking.
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Sooooooo we're on our own then ? oh and

We're free to engage and have relationships with other nations outside the EU in any manner we choose.

  • We were free to do that any way as long as it didn't cut across anything else that the Eu bloc were doing . But to be honest those other nations aren't queuing up to do business with us are they? Only 40 trade deals signed so far and none of them are better than we had whilst we were in the Eu. I ain't hearing anyone knocking on our door.
We're no longer regarded as "EU citizens"

  • A perception ... I hold a passport that still has the UK logo and tells every one that I am a citizen of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland but a member of the 'European Community' on it but also gives me the protection of being able to walk into the embassy of any EU country and ask them for assistance. Yet another right stripped from us.So were is the 'benefit' of relinquishing Eu membership?
We're no longer connected to the EU Parliament

  • I would challenge wether we are even connected to our own. But as the Eu parliament only passed legislation that could be applied to each and every country (level playing field etc ) I was comfortable with that. In fact the Eu parliament has passed more laws that benefit the UK population than the Tories have (since 1956)


We're no longer committed to an isolationist bloc that shuts out the entire world and only promotes its own members, whilst disregarding the needs and terms of the rest of the world

  • Correct .... we are now even further isolated as we are on our own.
We're no longer endorsing or promoting the "EU PROJECT", nor are our taxes/funds, resources and facilities being used to support its creation.

  • Im a Socialist ... I really don't mind helping people of other countries to climb the ladder.
 
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Sooooooo we're on our own then ? oh and

We're free to engage and have relationships with other nations outside the EU in any manner we choose.

  • We were free to do that any way as long as it didn't cut across anything else that the Eu bloc were doing . But to be honest those other nations aren't queuing up to do business with us are they? Only 40 trade deals signed so far and none of them are better than we had whilst we were in the Eu. I ain't hearing anyone knocking on our door.
We're no longer regarded as "EU citizens"

  • A perception ... I hold a passport that still has the UK logo and tells every one that I am a citizen of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland but a member of the 'European Community' on it but also gives me the protection of being able to walk into the embassy of any EU country and ask them for assistance. Yet another right stripped from us.So were is the 'benefit' of relinquishing Eu membership?
We're no longer connected to the EU Parliament

  • I would challenge wether we are even connected to our own. But as the Eu parliament only passed legislation that could be applied to each and every country (level playing field etc ) I was comfortable with that. In fact the Eu parliament has passed more laws that benefit the UK population than the Tories have (since 1956)


We're no longer committed to an isolationist bloc that shuts out the entire world and only promotes its own members, whilst disregarding the needs and terms of the rest of the world

  • Correct .... we are now even further isolated as we are on our own.
We're no longer endorsing or promoting the "EU PROJECT", nor are our taxes/funds, resources and facilities being used to support its creation.

  • Im a Socialist ... I really don't mind helping people of other countries to climb the ladder.
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Can we join into a union with say the United States whilst a member of the EU? No.
Can we rejoin the Commonwealth of Nations and favour trade with them over the EU? No.
People on here applauded, then lamented the loss of their EU citizneship "status". You guys cannot even agree on that, can you.
EU Parliament - erm, we're not connected because we're not in it; end of. I really don't care for your personal opinion on our own Parliament, that's not being discussed.

"We're on our own" Yes... like the majority of the world, except now we can forge trade deals that are suitable to us and not have a committe of 27 others to agree to it.

I'm a Libertarian - i'm about personal freedom of choice, liberty and personal responsibility, not being coerced into contributing to a budget to "help" others, as it's phrased, and not being told how much by unelected bureacrats. It is not the responsibility of the UK taxpayer to subsidise European nations, when we have underfunded facilities at home. Once we're stable, then i'm all for contributions, but it's contributions we decide, not told how much to.

Clearly you're an advocate of more political control and integration. I most definitely am not. Been mentioned many times before; you would never be so opposed had Labour won the election and backed leaving the EU from day one.

You also need to become aware of the differences between "rights" and "privileges", as non-EU citizens are not "Protected" by the "rights" you claim unless they surrender their sovereignty. And i'm STILL waiting on your answer about whether we're all racists or not. Why did you shy away from it?
 
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blueinsa said:
It pains you.

Biggest benefit of the fucking lot.

You're welcome ;-)
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He wants to bitch and moan about brexit, he can do as he please.

Why he feels the need to personally include others in his rants, though...
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
He wants to bitch and moan about brexit, he can do as he please.

Why he feels the need to personally include others in his rants, though...
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The thing that bores me the most on here is the need for links to James O’Brien and the guardian etc
It’s like everyday some people look in the remainer echo chamber for something to make them still feel they are right
It ain’t changing brexit but if you get to feel these ‘little victories’ then so be it
 
Tb1981 said:
The thing that bores me the most on here is the need for links to James O’Brien and the guardian etc
It’s like everyday some people look in the remainer echo chamber for something to make them still feel they are right
It ain’t changing brexit but if you get to feel these ‘little victories’ then so be it
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If they spent as much time reflecting upon why they failed to persuade anyone else as 'being right' maybe we wouldn't be leaving? Huge own goal.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
If they spent as much time reflecting upon why they failed to persuade anyone else as 'being right' maybe we wouldn't be leaving? Huge own goal.
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It’s the David Cameron effect.
If you want me to vote to stay in the eu send me a leaflet telling me why it’s so great
Don’t send me one saying why everything will be shit when we leave
It’s called balance and there isn’t any as they don’t feel they have to convince us
They are already right and we’re too thick to understand!
 
Your daily reminder that the only thing Brexit has achieved so far in four years is the imposition of a customs border dividing UK sovereign territory.

Played lads. I mean really well done.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Or their stoic defence of socialism in the face of defending the capitalist juggernaut of the EU.

That always make me chuckle.
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He couldn't give a fuck about the EU. He likes many posts from Rascal who says why the left should be behind Brexit and why the EU needed to go.

He just hates Tories. It's all consuming.
 
blueinsa said:
He couldn't give a fuck about the EU. He likes many posts from Rascal who says why the left should be behind Brexit and why the EU needed to go.

He just hates Tories. It's all consuming.
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That and he sees everything he dislikes or disagrees with as being "Tory"

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He doesn't even know why he likes the EU, he just assumes most people who hate it are Tories, therefore he likes it. What was Conservative PM David Cameron's stance on the EU again? Oh yeah! Remain!

IfIonlyhada... is basically a Cameron advocator! Logic.
 
If that chlorinated chicken thing is allowed to happen it will be the beginning of the end for our food standards.

We won't know what we will be eating in restaurants, country of origin probably won't be labelled in supermarkets so we won't be able to pick and choose. What next...are they going to take the nutritional information off of food packaging as well?
 
MCFC1993 said:
If that chlorinated chicken thing is allowed to happen it will be the beginning of the end for our food standards.

We won't know what we will be eating in restaurants, country of origin probably won't be labelled in supermarkets so we won't be able to pick and choose. What next...are they going to take the nutritional information off of food packaging as well?
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Chlorinated chicken is clean and safe to eat. US food standards practice is that every piece of chicken is washed before hand, in chlorine to eliminate salmonella. The chlorine is then washed off. This is for free range chickens or battery chickens. The issue isn't with food standards but with how the animals are treated before slaughter as the chlorine "washes away" any evidence of suspected malpractice.

You're arguing the wrong argument when you're associating nutrition information and chlorinated chicken.
 
blueinsa said:
AHH the best of 3 game again.

EU elections and GE says you're wrong but you know this Vic.
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Almost every single prominent remain advocating MP lost their seat at the 2019 election, replaced with pro-brexit MP's, yet apparently, that's still not conclusive enough evidence that the majority of the British public wanted brexit, over three years after the initial result.

The James O'Brien/New European reading bubble is quite the analgesic to remainers it seems.
 
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