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Because when you are announcing departmental mergers in the midst of trying to negotiate your way out of lockdown caused by an ongoing pandemic, save the economy, strike a comprehensive trade deal in six weeks with your biggest trade partners who ship two thirds of your food to you, simultaneously negotiate trade deals with the US, Japan, NZ and Australia, yet still manage to lose a PR battle with a young football player I think pettiness is the next step after hubris.

As for the other 27 European countries obliging them to deal with our choice of no extension to transition during their attempts to negotiate a way out of lockdown caused by an ongoing pandemic will poison relations for years to come. Their own situations will also cause them to be more defensive and less likely to seek common ground further salting the earth between England and the rest of Europe.

Still at least we will have a plane painted red, white and blue. That will show ‘em.


Be interesting to know

1) Was this ever put out to tender as £900,000 seems a large amount for a paint job

2) Was the decision to do this made whilst the Torys were fighting off demands to feed the most needy kids in the UK.

3) Has any form of Cost v Benefit analysis been done?
 
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Be interesting to know

1) Was this ever put out to tender as £900,000 seems a large amount for a paint job

2) Was the decision to do this made whilst the Torys were fighting off demands to feed the most needy kids in the UK.

3) Has any form of Cost v Benefit analysis been done?

It will be a world class paint job, probably done by those contact tracers who are currently under employed. Hopefully someone like Grayling is supervising to ensure success
 
It will be a world class paint job, probably done by those contact tracers who are currently under employed. Hopefully someone like Grayling is supervising to ensure success
It's either being done by a shipping agent with no ships or a pest control firm supplying £108m of PPE out of a small shed in Littlehampton.
 
Still - more positive signs that (at long last) preparations are being committed to.

But I agree with what is probably your key point - they should have started at least 3 years ago. Still better late than never eh?
Sorry - is this good news? I've no idea now whether you still think pretending we don't want a deal is part of jockeying to get a deal, and German preparations for no deal are a bad thing, or you just don't want a deal (but of course no deal would mean your whole argument on here collapses - that we will get a deal if we pretend hard enough that we don't want one).
 
Looks like the Government are going to spend more of the taxpayers cash preparing us for the 'sunny uplands' of life after Brexit.





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Be interesting to know

1) Was this ever put out to tender as £900,000 seems a large amount for a paint job

2) Was the decision to do this made whilst the Torys were fighting off demands to feed the most needy kids in the UK.

3) Has any form of Cost v Benefit analysis been done?

The cost of brexit is going to be one of the reasons it fails. The principle reason we are not ready is it will cost an obscene amount of money and when the figures start to come out people will lose their shit. Cost v's Benefit is fairly simple as its all cost and zero benefit.
 
US Trade Rep in Congress yesterday giving evidence, some highlights

Doesn’t think a deal is doable this year or can be done without a lot of face to face meetings.
UK has to accept US food standards with no barriers for US farmers to UK market. If UK insist they the deal will be put on ice until they do accept.
Any land border in Ireland will mean no US/UK deal. Congress Rep wants this a pre condition.
US sceptical about UK doing a deal with US before a deal is done with EU. This is based on the rationale that to do it with the US first would be dumb and no country is that dumb. US has fingers crossed we are that dumb.
 
Be interesting to know

1) Was this ever put out to tender as £900,000 seems a large amount for a paint job

2) Was the decision to do this made whilst the Torys were fighting off demands to feed the most needy kids in the UK.

3) Has any form of Cost v Benefit analysis been done?

That's very expensive for a paint job.

I'd imagine it might include the C check that the plane is due hence the timing (paint is usually fixed up anyway during this check).

Airtanker own the plane so they'll be picking up some of that bill.
 
Still - more positive signs that (at long last) preparations are being committed to.

But I agree with what is probably your key point - they should have started at least 3 years ago. Still better late than never eh?

Preparations are not being committed to. The only thing we have committed to is an Ad campaign which in the absence of actual preparations is next to useless. But for a Govt of all message and no substance it’s all we’ve got. Like painting a place red, white and blue or waving Aussie biscuits at the cameras. It’s all guff and bollocks.

Although it was amusing to read one of the Govts concerns is Brexiteers believing that nothing bad will happen because they are too thick to understand the reality and swallowed the guff and bollocks. That was fun. Do you think an Ad campaign will help you understand?
 
That's very expensive for a paint job.

I'd imagine it might include the C check that the plane is due hence the timing (paint is usually fixed up anyway during this check).

Airtanker own the plane so they'll be picking up some of that bill.


I didn't mention the lease deal for fear that I would be labeled a 'Tory Basher'

But the plane is indeed leased over a 27 year period at a cost of £30 million a year ...

To buy it new would have cost the taxpayer £50 million .... Party of fiscal responsibility?
 
US Trade Rep in Congress yesterday giving evidence, some highlights

Doesn’t think a deal is doable this year or can be done without a lot of face to face meetings.
UK has to accept US food standards with no barriers for US farmers to UK market. If UK insist they the deal will be put on ice until they do accept.
Any land border in Ireland will mean no US/UK deal. Congress Rep wants this a pre condition.
US sceptical about UK doing a deal with US before a deal is done with EU. This is based on the rationale that to do it with the US first would be dumb and no country is that dumb. US has fingers crossed we are that dumb.

Surprise surprise - the exact same stumbling block that prevented an EU / US trade deal. The US have lower food standards and refuse to raise them, the EU refuses to lower theirs and it hasn't budged in years. We will have to pick a side (basically adopting US standards or EU standards), If we pick US we destroy our farming sector as we open the door to low standards / cheap alternatives (but the tories get a few days good headlines in the express / mail) if we stick with the EU then we stick with EU rules we no longer have any control over and have not 'taken back control' (bad coverage in the express and mail).
 
The cost of brexit is going to be one of the reasons it fails. The principle reason we are not ready is it will cost an obscene amount of money and when the figures start to come out people will lose their shit. Cost v's Benefit is fairly simple as its all cost and zero benefit.
You are nothing - if not consistent

It may be that you keep being proven to be consistently wrong - but it is still consistent

Anyway Macron's in town today and will be raising the subject of Brexit. It makes sense that if EU leaders.

So just to ensure that I get the message correctly - you and other Remainers on here suggest that there No-Deal is only really an issue for the UK and the EU will be generally fine - just a few bumps in the road

Is that it?
 
That's very expensive for a paint job.

I'd imagine it might include the C check that the plane is due hence the timing (paint is usually fixed up anyway during this check).

Airtanker own the plane so they'll be picking up some of that bill.
Inconvenient truths continue to be sooooooooooo disappointing for the those with agendas
 
Surprise surprise - the exact same stumbling block that prevented an EU / US trade deal. The US have lower food standards and refuse to raise them, the EU refuses to lower theirs and it hasn't budged in years. We will have to pick a side (basically adopting US standards or EU standards), If we pick US we destroy our farming sector as we open the door to low standards / cheap alternatives (but the tories get a few days good headlines in the express / mail) if we stick with the EU then we stick with EU rules we no longer have any control over and have not 'taken back control' (bad coverage in the express and mail).

It is and the issues will get louder until we have tractors dumping manure outside Tory MP’s houses. Most interesting point for me is that the US think they are being used and that the EU deal is what really matters.

Source BBC.

‘One very point of harder break with EU away from regulatory orbit, is to do big trade deal with US...one person you really want to believe this is the US Trade Rep (who) negotiates on that basis, but “pragmatically” not convinced UK will really do this, because of trade numbers with EU’

 
I didn't mention the lease deal for fear that I would be labeled a 'Tory Basher'

But the plane is indeed leased over a 27 year period at a cost of £30 million a year ...

To buy it new would have cost the taxpayer £50 million .... Party of fiscal responsibility?
Please - let's not take the thread down the path of the cost to the UK of, under Blair - but driven by Gordon Brown, Labour's obsession with PFI

I can see that is what you are wanting to do?
 
Please - let's not take the thread down the path of the cost to the UK of, under Blair - but driven by Gordon Brown, Labour's obsession with PFI

I can see that is where you are heading

PFI was initiated by John Majors Conservative Government and continued by Labour. Once the impact was known the policy was dropped but then (despite knowing how damaging it was) reinstated by the Conservatives.
 
You are nothing - if not consistent


So just to ensure that I get the message correctly - you and other Remainers on here suggest that there No-Deal is only really an issue for the UK and the EU will be generally fine - just a few bumps in the road

Is that it
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Correct. None of the other European countries are throwing their entire regulatory model or industrial and commercial strategy in the trasher. We are. After the economy has been chopped off at the knees after a pandemic. A pandemic where the State does not have the capacity to negotiate us safely out of lockdown. We don’t have a Govt capable of managing one crisis let alone two. It’s a Govt that did not have the wit to concede in a PR battle with a football player until it had lost.
 
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Preparations are not being committed to. The only thing we have committed to is an Ad campaign which in the absence of actual preparations is next to useless. But for a Govt of all message and no substance it’s all we’ve got. Like painting a place red, white and blue or waving Aussie biscuits at the cameras. It’s all guff and bollocks.

Although it was amusing to read one of the Govts concerns is Brexiteers believing that nothing bad will happen because they are too thick to understand the reality and swallowed the guff and bollocks. That was fun. Do you think an Ad campaign will help you understand?
The campaign is not aimed at Tory MPs surprised that their French-speaking dogs have lost their rights, or at holidaymakers having to pay more for travel insurance, or at farmers (they know already how bad it might be), but at businesses who haven't yet prepared for a No Deal. Why would they? Johnson has just said he expects a deal so why spend good money in a recession preparing for an eventuality that the PM says is unlikely (well yes, because he's a liar but you know what I mean).

The adverts should avoid the clash between having got Brexit done and still getting ready for Brexit - just use the slogan "get ready for more red tape".
 
PFI was initiated by John Majors Conservative Government and continued by Labour. Once the impact was known the policy was dropped but then (despite knowing how damaging it was) reinstated by the Conservatives.
Please - do not embarrass yourself any further with your seeming neeeed to post utter fucking rubbish

There is a saying that - a little knowledge is dangerous.

You, given a level of accuracy with the first part of your post, amply demonstrate, given the rest of your naivety, that it is indeed damaging to any residual credibility that you have
 
Surprise surprise - the exact same stumbling block that prevented an EU / US trade deal. The US have lower food standards and refuse to raise them, the EU refuses to lower theirs and it hasn't budged in years. We will have to pick a side (basically adopting US standards or EU standards), If we pick US we destroy our farming sector as we open the door to low standards / cheap alternatives (but the tories get a few days good headlines in the express / mail) if we stick with the EU then we stick with EU rules we no longer have any control over and have not 'taken back control' (bad coverage in the express and mail).
It’s even better than that though. If we accept lower US food standards we’ve already said that we won’t lower ours, so cheap US meat coming here and better quality uk meat going to landfill. Still, the Mogster did say we’d get cheap food and shoes......
 
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