Another new Brexit thread

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mcfc1632 said:
Prompts another genuine (if hypothetical) question - to you and other Remainers......

If Labour had - let's say in the 2015 GE - campaigned on a manifesto pledge to exit the EU and the Conservatives had been campaigning to definitely Remain - would you have voted Labour or Conservative in that GE?

It is also a fair question for Leavers.

I would have of course voted Labour
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O voted labour in the GE despite being a leave voter, and would have course still done so if they were pro-leave. I am in a Tory safe seat though, so my labour vote has as much significance as a piss in the north Sea without PR
 
Vic said:
Farming Trade Commission announced. No teeth, not many environmental interests on it (though the government is planning to subsidise farmers not to grow food rather than to grow food), and six months to produce a report on how to minimise the effects of Brexit (sorry - take the opportunities) which will come out after check change and go is already reality.

And the chairman Tim Smith (appointed by Pret to look at their allergen policies) says we're making too much fuss about food standards but (like the government) seems a bit vague about whether they could negotiate standards away...

“The alarmism recently around issues like imports of chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef – both of which are banned in the UK – do neither the industry nor the public any favours.”

Mr Smith did not explicitly rule out the possibility that either product could be imported in the UK as part of a trade deal with the US.
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all that from a **** who used rules meant to apply to small one man band operations to avoid Pret putting full ingredients on sandwich labels which HAVE killed people with allergies. Of course he think food standards are a lot of fuss about nothing - he will happily risk killing the odd customer as long as his tills keep chinging.
 
bluethrunthru said:
all that from a **** who used rules meant to apply to small one man band operations to avoid Pret putting full ingredients on sandwich labels which HAVE killed people with allergies. Of course he think food standards are a lot of fuss about nothing - he will happily risk killing the odd customer as long as his tills keep chinging.
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Pret appointed him to clean up their act after the death.
 
Vic said:
Pret appointed him to clean up their act after the death.
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well his attitude to chlorinated chicken declares his true feelings - has he got the correct labelling on the sarnies for the few Prets that will re-open then?
 
BobKowalski said:
Amazon is getting ready for Brexit. They are cutting the UK out of EFN (European Fulfilment Network). "Effectively, your sales opportunity from selling on Amazon UK dropped from 446 million EU consumers to 66 million Brits"

https://tamebay.com/2020/07/amazon-fba-brexit-bombshell-efn-and-pan-european-fba-ends-for-uk.html
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why should Amazon do the customs declaration and other forms for a relatively small number of users/buyers/sellers? Will be tough on some smaller firms reliant on imports or exports for sales or components. Remember when we were told that the EU needed us more than them and they will want frictionless trade? Its us imposing the friction upon ourselves......
 
bluethrunthru said:
why should Amazon do the customs declaration and other forms for a relatively small number of users/buyers/sellers? Will be tough on some smaller firms reliant on imports or exports for sales or components. Remember when we were told that the EU needed us more than them and they will want frictionless trade? Its us imposing the friction upon ourselves......
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Yep. We are wrapping ourselves up in administrative red tape and imposing extra costs on UK businesses, and that’s with a deal.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...brexit-put-the-kibosh-on-investment-7m5l5n7s9
 
Of course - given the significant amount of evidence during the last months that has already been provided - it is not really necessary to emphasise the truism that:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

But as some seem to still not get it - this article brought it to mind again:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/brexit-...standoff-dashing-hope-of-swift-deal-1.1467729

If only we had not had 3 years of the acquiescence of May and Robbins
 
mcfc1632 said:
Of course - given the significant amount of evidence during the last months that has already been provided - it is not really necessary to emphasise the truism that:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

But as some seem to still not get it - this article brought it to mind again:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/brexit-...standoff-dashing-hope-of-swift-deal-1.1467729

If only we had not had 3 years of the acquiescence of May and Robbins
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So the EU are baffled why the UK won't compromise on fishing, EU rules on state
aid and the role of the ECJ. Which, in essence, means they have still not accepted
Brexit, as these are some of the fundamentals of it.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So the EU are baffled why the UK won't compromise on fishing, EU rules on state
aid and the role of the ECJ. Which, in essence, means they have still not accepted
Brexit, as these are some of the fundamentals of it.
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It doesn't matter what they accept or don't accept. We've left. If we won't shift at all on their red lines we won't get a favourable FTA and we'll all lose, us more than them though.

To be honest the additional tariffs that will be incurred in the event of no FTA generally will only be a relatively small factor compared to the additional costs due to the imposition of non-tariff barriers which are happening anyway as per the link posted by TLWYS.

Still, there's always our viable walk away option. Now that the spit roasting in store for us from the US and China doesn't look as attractive as originally thought, I'm sure Australia and Kenya will step up and replace the reduced EU trade.
 
west didsblue said:
It doesn't matter what they accept or don't accept. We've left. If we won't shift at all on their red lines we won't get a favourable FTA and we'll all lose, us more than them though.

To be honest the additional tariffs that will be incurred in the event of no FTA generally will only be a relatively small factor compared to the additional costs due to the imposition of non-tariff barriers which are happening anyway as per the link posted by TLWYS.

Still, there's always our viable walk away option. Now that the spit roasting in store for us from the US and China doesn't look as attractive as originally thought, I'm sure Australia and Kenya will step up and replace the reduced EU trade.
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So good we can never leave......
 
mcfc1632 said:
"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”
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