kevin horlocks wand
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It’s the deliberately provocative style of posting, from both sides, that becomes tiresome. It prevents any kind of sensible debate. I’ll leave you to it.the only think that should matter is personal abuse and we get plenty.
I don’t think saying a deal that is in the best interests of the uk as opposed to the eu is a particularly offensive, rude or weird stand point.
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It’s the deliberately provocative style of posting, from both sides, that becomes tiresome. It prevents any kind of sensible debate. I’ll leave you to it.
i think some of the satire and humour is funny given it’s a football forum and it’s city fans talking politics who at 9.45 on a friday have probably had a few beers, but I guess it’s a serious topic.
however it’s tribal I get that.
have a good evening.
I know from first hand experience how poisonous it can be and I’m thankful that I escaped that mind set.Hate is a powerful thing. It influences, it forms opinions. What's worse is that it is infectious amongst the opinionated. I don't hate those who voted remain; I even side with many of their arguments, it's just that I was deeply opposed to the organisation of the EU as it stood.
Remainers had/have many knowledgeable, informative arguments against leaving that I even side with. But this new breed of "remoaners", the ones who try and ridicule, undermine and reject every single legitimate, knowledgable leave argument from their own bias have tarnished, at least amongst the leave element, the entire basis of the notion of rejoining.
It's similar to the Corbyn element of Labour and how many rational people reject the party based solely on his supporters and their mantra, despite them being in the minority.
Given the issues with COVID-19, am I arrogant enough to say we should stay out of the EU "just because"? Hell no! My preferred outcome would be to sign a trade deal with the US, and then form a new membership status (if COVID was as detrimental as it could potentially get) with the EU.
Reaching a compromise has always been the objective of the rational in our society; sadly it appears the narrative is to be dominated by those who want to be seen as being "right", as if anyone knows what that means.
I now go into a discussion disliking nobody and try to see the world from their perspective. The only time I do dislike anybody is when they come from the mind set I personally used to have, which may be hypocrisy but I have the ignorance of youth on my side.
I still think Brexit is mad, I still don’t want it but it’s been voted for, several times including general elections and I do not wish to be on the side against democracy.
There’s a few remainers on here I really like a lot but generally speaking I prefer the leave voters if I’m honest, there’s a few remainers who are absolutely detestable.
It’s funny though, as a remainer I can see constant insinuations that leavers are thick or didn’t know what they’re voting for... I never see the same kind of abuse the other way.It’s the deliberately provocative style of posting, from both sides, that becomes tiresome. It prevents any kind of sensible debate. I’ll leave you to it.
No, the insinuations the other way tend to be that remainers hate their country, want the economy to be fucked etc. Stupid generalisations on both sides that stifle sensible debate. Hopefully the block function will improve things.It’s funny though, as a remainer I can see constant insinuations that leavers are thick or didn’t know what they’re voting for... I never see the same kind of abuse the other way.
Well you’ll have to point them out, not seen them recently, in fact I can’t recall anything in the last 2 years at all, a leaver suggesting a remainer hates their country.No, the insinuations the other way tend to be that remainers hate their country, want the economy to be fucked etc. Stupid generalisations on both sides that stifle sensible debate. Hopefully the block function will improve things.
On the contrary, the “no idea what you’re voting for” is on the last 3 pages.
You should report any posts that you're unhappy with.Well you’ll have to point them out, not seen them recently, in fact I can’t recall anything in the last 2 years at all, a leaver suggesting a remainer hates their country.
On the contrary, the “no idea what you’re voting for” is on the last 3 pages.
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You should report any posts that you're unhappy with.
why? It’s an Internet forum .
surely it’s fine . Everyone’s over 18
Sorry, I thought you were complaining about personal abuse earlier?why? It’s an Internet forum .
surely it’s fine . Everyone’s over 18
bluethrunthru
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No, the insinuations the other way tend to be that remainers hate their country, want the economy to be fucked etc. Stupid generalisations on both sides that stifle sensible debate. Hopefully the block function will improve things.
exactly - as a Remainer I don't want the economy to be fucked hence I want to Remain
Tbf, I’m sure leavers don’t want the economy to be fucked either.exactly - as a Remainer I don't want the economy to be fucked hence I want to Remain
bluethrunthru
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Tbf, I’m sure leavers don’t want the economy to be fucked either.
Yet despite all the warnings from business and and experts they hang the country out to dry over the altar of "sovereignty" - something which they cannot really describe - and immigration - something Brexit doesn't address as immigration will always be an economic decision.
Well you’ll have to point them out, not seen them recently, in fact I can’t recall anything in the last 2 years at all, a leaver suggesting a remainer hates their country.
On the contrary, the “no idea what you’re voting for” is on the last 3 pages.
I suppose that's not technically a leaver suggesting a remainer hates their country but in the context it was close.Well it’s much funnier to watch a May government than a government slowly allowing itself to be merged with a federal superstate whilst doing nothing.
However you on the left hate this country so any pop you can possibly have, you do.
14 Feb 2020
Then there's
They hate the country and the people so much because there are some who hold a different opinion to them? I've never gotten that mentality; if you have that much hate in your soul for a nation and it's people, why not just move?
Mëtal Bikër
1 Feb 2020
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I really cannot understand it There are so many that seem to neeeed to run the country down so much - it is so palpable
mcfc1632
3 Feb 2020
bluethrunthru
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I suppose that's not technically a leaver suggesting a remainer hates their country but in the context it was close.
Then there's
They hate the country and the people so much because there are some who hold a different opinion to them? I've never gotten that mentality; if you have that much hate in your soul for a nation and it's people, why not just move?
Mëtal Bikër
1 Feb 2020
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I really cannot understand it There are so many that seem to neeeed to run the country down so much - it is so palpable
mcfc1632
3 Feb 2020
which is what its has become to Leave. Your view on Brexit is a test of a persons patriotism - and if you don't hold a similar view to Leave then you are disloyal - the likeness to the simple view proposed by the orange shitgibbon across the water is remarkable but I'd guess the bridge between the two is the recently arrested Bannon - and its starting to show.
Is that your best go seriously?I suppose that's not technically a leaver suggesting a remainer hates their country but in the context it was close.
Then there's
They hate the country and the people so much because there are some who hold a different opinion to them? I've never gotten that mentality; if you have that much hate in your soul for a nation and it's people, why not just move?
Mëtal Bikër
1 Feb 2020
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I really cannot understand it There are so many that seem to neeeed to run the country down so much - it is so palpable
mcfc1632
3 Feb 2020
You’re a parody poster Vic
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I suppose that's not technically a leaver suggesting a remainer hates their country but in the context it was close.
Then there's
They hate the country and the people so much because there are some who hold a different opinion to them? I've never gotten that mentality; if you have that much hate in your soul for a nation and it's people, why not just move?
Mëtal Bikër
1 Feb 2020
And
I really cannot understand it There are so many that seem to neeeed to run the country down so much - it is so palpable
mcfc1632
3 Feb 2020
Being told you hate this country is par for the course on this side of the Brexit fence, yet oddly I’m a defender of our Union and find myself defending institutions like the BBC, which then makes me part of the ‘Remainer elite’.
I never quite know whether I’m a Britain hating commie leftie or part of the globalist elite happy to sell out the traditional working class.
Funny old world at times.
What a sensible and well balanced postLeaving was the greater unknown in some regards yes but people were asked if they wanted to be a member or not and vote stated no. Not “do you want to leave as EFTA or CU or No Deal”, it was a yes or no question to EU membership and if you held the vote again today, it’d be very similar.
Even in December the Tories hoovered up Labour votes and there was a significant swing to voting for them, as the party that was going to deliver Brexit, so three years later a party is winning a GE by the biggest margin in years, on a Brexit ticket.
Telling people now, who voted for Brexit and still support it they don’t know what they voted for and were manipulated, doesn’t help anyone and is patronising to say the least, as Vic is doing.
Unless the EU collapses and we’re somehow unscathed, which is v unlikely, I will always think Brexit was a mistake but there’s a significant proportion of the remain argument that I dislike over all others in this state of affairs, they’re undemocratic snobs, who detest the working class who dared to disobey them.
Regarding the corruption, I’m not sure they’re any more corrupt than any government we’ve ever had. Power corrupts and every cabinet has been at it, hell even gentle JC was caught offering jobs to the daughters of his close mates and don’t get me started on Blair, who’s the worst of the lot.
Anyway...Leaving the EU should be a reasonable opinion without all of the hyperbole that’s spouted from both sides, it’s not the fault of leavers that prominent leavers are incompetent, you could also level that at prominent remain politicians.
A rarity on here - and highlights a lot of the outright entitled snobbery that we see so much of - well done
Ifwecouldjust.......
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If it is / was impossible to have known what we were going to get, then it is also impossible to have been told the truth / lies? The not knowing what is going to happen thing applies to leavers and remainers alike - although both would like you to believe they are / were right.
And herein lies the crux of the matter...... there should never have been a referendum without the UK population being told the probable outcome. In order to arrive at an outcome the Government at the time should have completed and produced impact assessments. They didn't and instead just painted scenarios and because they had no evidence of the impact everything was labeled 'Project Fear' . The Government then lied afterwards saying that these had been produced.
The whole thing was just a shoddy piece of work.
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Ifwecouldjust.......
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Anyway back on topic, it’s now becoming evident a deal likely won’t be reached, there’s too much both parties are at odds with and no deal is likely coming (heard that before haven’t we).
With the dire position of the economy now I think we may as well get it over and done with and start building again in 2021.
So I suppose we fall back on the 'Oven Ready' one then?
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