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I may be wrong as I'm no expert on these matters,but I think the EU is struggling to deal with us as a nation that is no longer a member. It has no more say over us than any other non-EU country unless it suits all of us. Clause 38 in the WA actually outlaws what the EU have been trying to do in imposing authority / level playing field post brexit. As I say, I'm no expert and may be wrong on this but it seems the clause 38 amendment modifies the declaration of Parliamentary sovereignty, so that it explicitly takes into account the Sewel convention - in rag terminology, we can do what we want.
I'm not sure you understand - we are no longer subject to the courts you cite. I'm not saying it's moral or fair btw - just how it is and the legal basis for departure from some terms of the WA. With regard to fantasy and lies I think you may be confusing the public utterances of the govt with its intent. I'm surprised you are surprised BJ has been talking shite all year - most folk seem to realise this.
The operative words here are "I may be wrong as I'm no expert on these matters". Talk about talking shite. Clause 38 isn't in the treaty, it's in the domestic legislation and it means the UK parliament can ignore the Scots and Welsh devolved administrations.

But then I forget you're wumming.
 
"I thought the issue was resolved." US congressman Boyle says no trade deal if the GFA is violated.

"Dangerous tendency of British government to use GFA as a bargaining chip." "Why would you negotiate with a government that abrogates what it negotiates?"
 
The operative words here are "I may be wrong as I'm no expert on these matters". Talk about talking shite. Clause 38 isn't in the treaty, it's in the domestic legislation and it means the UK parliament can ignore the Scots and Welsh devolved administrations.

But then I forget you're wumming.
No need to be unpleasant - I did admit I may be wrong Vic. This amendment does so much more than you realise I'm afraid , hence it scraping through the Lords at the report stage by about 3 votes. Again, I could be wrong, if so it is a human failing and nothing for you to be angry or upset about (unless I'm correct of course).
 
"I thought the issue was resolved." US congressman Boyle says no trade deal if the GFA is violated.

"Dangerous tendency of British government to use GFA as a bargaining chip." "Why would you negotiate with a government that abrogates what it negotiates?"
I very much doubt imperilment of the GFA will prevent a nation that openly slaughters black people on the streets from doing a trade deal. Even if it does I suppose it solves your chlorinated chicken concerns - every cloud and all that.
 
Good to see Frost remind Barnier that the UK is a sovereign state and should have the same deal as other sovereign states not tied to EU rules as best suits them. Barnier should stop his whining and realise this. But he likes to whine doesnt he, I feel he is showing his hand somewhat. Keep it up Frost.
Indeed - what a step up from the inept Robbins
 
Lots of Sabre rattling and rhetoric.

It's business time.
Absolutely, as the discomfort of some on here shows. All the same rubbish being wheeled out as it was just before May looked like she may actually meet her 29 Mar deadline. The EU still seem to think they are dealing with May, Robbins and a UK parliament without a majority.
 
The WA, and specifically the NI protocols, were negotiated by Johnson. Put to the people in a GE, endorsed by the people in a GE, then passed by the new Johnson Govt as per it’s mandate to ratify the WA.

And now we should repudiate a binding international treaty, a treaty that was ratified and endorsed as per a manifesto commitment and by Tory MPs who all pledged to do so? An agreement that the people voted for in an election?

Christ.
Yeah but they didn't really vote for that bit..
 
Absolutely, as the discomfort of some on here shows. All the same rubbish being wheeled out as it was just before May looked like she may actually meet her 29 Mar deadline. The EU still seem to think they are dealing with May, Robbins and a UK parliament without a majority.

Words from Mr Varadkar who has warned against reacting right now and to realise that it's the end stage of a huge negotiation and that it's always like this.
 
Since this whole fiasco started I have veered from leave to remain and back again, I am now in the curious position of thinking we should leave but also thinking we should stay at this point. Leaving is the correct thing to do, the EU is a neo-liberal monstrosity that has a huge democratic deficit, but the UK at this moment under this current administration is even worse.

I worry how far Johnson and his nutjob wing will go to get there dream and has they have lied time after time, obfuscated and misinformed I am finding it hard to support something they want so badly. I am not a conspiracy nut, I try to evaluate the situation and inform myself as much as possible but at the moment I am probably more confused than I was before the whole process started. I really do think we should leave, but I also really do think we should stay. Its not being helped as the positions of both camps have hardened and become more trenchant and I do genuinely fear that many of us who are not firmly entrenched in one camp or the other will get the worst of both worlds from both sides. The more Johnson and his nut jobs pull us towards extreme no deal leave, the more the FBFE nutjobs harden in their Pro-EU attitudes.

If we take into account the effects of COVID on the economy then leaving at this point with no deal is insane, the economy is already in serious trouble and leaving with no deal will exacerbate it and I fear it could lead to total collapse and the loss of even more jobs than are already forecast. I ask myself the question, can I really support leaving if it means people lose their jobs and plunge into poverty at a time when poverty is on the rise. I also ask myself if being true to my political ideology is more important than peoples livelihoods, but I also see that a way to escape the neo liberal hell hole is to leave and if we have the capacity to use state aid to save those jobs that can be lost then leaving is still the correct thing to do. Can I trust this Government to deliver on that given their appalling record since coming to power, because it has been one clusterfuck after another and we have a PM who is veering dangerously towards authoritarianism and that has negative effects on the democracy I want us all to live under.

There is also the underlying nastiness of leaving that has been promulgated by the rise and acceptance of some rather sinister far right ideology. Can I really support a position that allow the far right to have such influence on society and make our country a place in their image. Do we really want to be a country where the far right are standing on the cliffs of Dover spouting anti immigration/refugee rhetoric, because I don't want that I want immigration to be controlled not used as a tool to punish people escaping the hell holes of Syria or Iraq. I want immigration to be used to make sure it works for the country and makes it a better place for everyone, immigrants included not as means to use against people actually born here and suffering the same disgusting treatment as the Windrush generation.

To leave means being free to do what is best for this country, which as a patriotic Socialist who believes that the only way we can become a truly Socialist society is to leave the Neo-liberal club I am actually questioning whether my hopes and dreams are worth sacrificing to stem the rise of this far right nonsense that is seen now almost on a daily basis. Are we sacrificing everything this country is and has always been to satisfy a small number of fanatics? Because as I wrote earlier the nation is becoming more extreme and Johnson is desperate for a win and being the narcissistic **** he is I am convinced he will put himself and his ego before the nations needs.

This whole BREXIT debacle and it has been a debacle there is no doubt in that has led us to a point where compromise is seen as weakness and negotiation seen as conflict, this cannot help the people of the UK or the EU when politicians on both sides have lost those arts we now desperately need more than ever.

I still thinking leaving the EU is the correct thing to do, it has the weight of a Democratic mandate behind it but by fuck its been handled badly and I speak to friends of mine who live in Spain and Portugal and they tell me the locals think the UK has lost the plot, we used to be respected for sensible level headed politics and good old British diplomacy now we look like a rotten rabble who could not organise the proverbial piss up in a brewery, we are a laughing stock and because of our uncompromising stance we are treated as a laughing stock. Laughing stock Britain is not the epitaph I want from leaving the EU, but that is how we will be portrayed and that saddens me, that though is not anybody who voted for Brexit's fault, its the fault of the sheer incompetence of our politicians and the underhand machinations of a select few hard line nutters who live in a fantasy world of village green cricket, tea and scones at Mrs Miggins pie shop and the Royal Navy ruling the high seas.

If there was another referendum today I would vote leave because its the only way Socialism can be realised, but as we are under the governance of the worst administration in UK history letting them conduct this process is borderline insane.
Mrs Miggins has a great deal to answer for.
 
Nothing to do with sycophancy mate. Just don't like the way you referred to the French. They weren't laughing at the English they were laughing at the UK Government and I suppose when you don't have to live with them they are funny in a 'I can't believe they just did that' kind of way.
Well, I'm afraid I'm not dissolving into floods of tears, at the censure.
Would it have soothed any Gallic sensibilities if I'd said 'Defeated' instead of Twatted? Plus, how do you know what they were laughing at? I'm laughing even talking about this, don't dare take the Mick out of the French ffs, lol.
 
Yeah, can I borrow your EU framed photo of Michel Barnier to make a nice backdrop whilst wearing this attire?

Ifwecould is busy mate.....

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No. I do understand. The WA states that it has supremacy over UK law therefore any future legislation that is inconsistent with the WA will be ruled as such. If we pursue the issue it’s a matter for UK courts as well as the ECJ to decide whether the new legislation is ‘inconsistent’ or not.

If primary legislation is passed that is strictly inconsistent with the WA, that will take precedence as a matter of UK Law no matter what the WA says. That’s what parliamentary sovereignty means. It always did mean that, as the Supreme Court discussed in Gina Miller’s case. The courts will strive to construe legislation in a way that is compatible with the WA, because the presumption would be that a Parliament did not intend to act in a way that was incompatible with its international treaty obligations unless it uses clear language to that effect. But if it does, and the legislation says ‘Tis’ where the WA says ‘tisnt’, there is no prospect of any primary legislation being struck down by the courts.

This is not to say this wouldn’t have consequences. If we simultaneously and unilaterally depart from two internationally registered and ratified agreements- the WA and the GFA - many other countries might understandably become far more reluctant to enter into future agreements (like trade deals), but that’s what happens when you put a bunch of liars and chancers in charge of the government.
 
Well, I'm afraid I'm not dissolving into floods of tears, at the censure.
Would it have soothed any Gallic sensibilities if I'd said 'Defeated' instead of Twatted? Plus, how do you know what they were laughing at? I'm laughing even talking about this, don't dare take the Mick out of the French ffs, lol.
well if they were laughing at the execution of Brexit who else would they be laughing at? Henry Kissinger?
 
Yes, that was completely out of order, the racist bastard.
It was the Italians.


ENGLAND has offered to call a temporary halt to jokes about how quickly Italian tanks can reverse.

Prime minister David Cameron made the offer to Italian counterpart Matteo Renzi last night in a desperate two-hour phone call.

Mr Cameron said: “I stopped short of banning the Italian tank joke completely because that would be a profound erosion of our national sovereignty.


“I’ve offered him a three year tank joke ceasefire, which, being Italian, he was more than happy to accept.
 
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